Obama's Rhetoric is the Real Catastrophe

[agzg]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

What's Joe been up to? Anyone know?

He shows up on Pundit Kitchen like every other day.

The man needs to stop making crazy faces.

ETA:

Found Him. Apparently ordering penis-enlarging pills.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

Unfortunately it cost them votes. I was planning on voting for McCain before the hijinks that ensued after the GOP convention.

Not to say that went for all of his voters, however. Many voted for McCain because of Palin. Many voted for McCain in spite of Palin.

Regardless, there's another thread about this topic.

Ultimately, since the stimulus bill has passed, we'll have to wait and see what the effects are. I wouldn't call this the Great Depression, but who knows where we'll bottom out if we haven't already.

I do know it's ridiculously hard to find a job right now.

It's interesting hearing your point of view on the matter. I know some people who were going to vote for McCain but changed their mind when Palin was selected. I can't even imagine what McCain must be feeling right now. I'm sure he's kicking himself. They picked Palin to get the female vote, Obama didn't do the same, and now he's the one in the White House.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Let the economy bottom out as soon as possible so we can pick up the pieces. Focus current funding on social services to get people through these difficult times. I understand that people don't want to lose what they have, but that's pretty inevitable at this point. The longer we keep extending the recession by using tax payer money, the worse the real bottom is going to be.

What are we really afraid of? Losing the so-called American Dream?

That sounds like letting capitalism crumble so that we can give rise to socialism (or the, much better approach, combination of capitalism and socialism). In other words, what will happen after the crumble?

What the American Dream is varies based on status groups. But people are afraid of the uncertainty and whether the structure can keep us from an "every man and woman for him and herself" mentality. Where are the social safety nets? Many states are struggling with 10% unemployment, what would they do with 50% unemployment?

That's the long and short of it. There's much more to it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I mean someone who they expect to have an active role. Obama expects Biden to have an active role. I think the McCain campaign just wanted to use Palin to get to the White House and then I think they were going to try to keep her out of the way and shut her up, leaving her out of key decisions that would normally involve the VP.

Really? What is it?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Really? What is it?

I think Obama expects to have Biden's input on major decisions. Obama doesn't strike me as the type to just ignore his VP and leave him out in the cold the way I think McCain would have done Palin.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

It's interesting hearing your point of view on the matter. I know some people who were going to vote for McCain but changed their mind when Palin was selected. I can't even imagine what McCain must be feeling right now. I'm sure he's kicking himself. They picked Palin to get the female vote, Obama didn't do the same, and now he's the one in the White House.

If they picked her for the female vote they failed miserably.

It's debatable why he picked her. Many think it was an effort to consolidate the conservative republican base, since oftentimes McCain is characterized as too moderate or liberal. I would think this is more likely.

If that is the case then they didn't fail as miserably as they did if they picked her for the female vote.

After all, it's not like this was a landslide election for Obama. It was a pretty hard fought battle. So to say that Palin hurt McCain that badly would mean the same as saying that McCain would have had the election in the bag had he not picked Palin.

I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that in my case, Palin tipped it. Not so for live-in, he was always an Obama supporter. Also not so for a lot of the people I know who would traditionally vote republican who voted for Obama this year.

My dad's been a republican for 40 years. This was his first time voting for a Democrat. I can tell you he didn't give a flying fig about Sarah Palin, or Joe Biden for that matter.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

On either side of the spectrum people are vilified for their beliefs on creationism v. evolution.

I think the issue with Palin was that for a while that was the bulk of what many people knew policywise about her. That and the Bridge to Nowhere talk. Perhaps with Jindal we just know more about his other policies?

Do we? I think we know he's smart, young, non-white and Republican. But I bet most people don't know anything about Louisiana policy under Jindal.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

I know that I've often been the jerk in threads and I've engaged in many arguments not worth having, but I have to say I'm amazed at the amount of attention that you all are willing to give to Deepimpact2.

I meant to respond to this earlier.

I don't think it's about giving attention. Perhaps people are trying to bridge differences. Ever think about that? I would like to think that at least.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

I think Obama expects to have Biden's input on major decisions. Obama doesn't strike me as the type to just ignore his VP and leave him out in the cold the way I think McCain would have done Palin.

So his role boils down to your assessment of Obama's character?

[agzg]

I think it's too early to know the role that Biden will have in Obama's administration. He very well could put his foot in his mouth (again) and be pushed to the background.

I also think we'll never really know the role that Sarah Palin would have played in McCain's administration, had there been one. For those of us who didn't vote for McCain because of Palin, it's that unknown that was the tipping point. Not because we thought she was hotter than us.

I bet 40-some Palin is hotter than lil 20-some me. But I've got youth on my side.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Do we? I think we know he's smart, young, non-white and Republican. But I bet most people don't know anything about Louisiana policy under Jindal.

Besides talk about the stimulus bill? I guess you're right.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by alphagamzetagam

If they picked her for the female vote they failed miserably.

It's debatable why he picked her. Many think it was an effort to consolidate the conservative republican base, since oftentimes McCain is characterized as too moderate or liberal. I would think this is more likely.

If that is the case then they didn't fail as miserably as they did if they picked her for the female vote.

After all, it's not like this was a landslide election for Obama. It was a pretty hard fought battle. So to say that Palin hurt McCain that badly would mean the same as saying that McCain would have had the election in the bag had he not picked Palin.


My dad's been a republican for 40 years. This was his first time voting for a Democrat. I can tell you he didn't give a flying fig about Sarah Palin, or Joe Biden for that matter.

Many people speculated that he brought Palin on board as a way of pulling in the Hillary Clinton supporters once she did not win the nomination.
As much as I like Obama, deep down I think McCain would have won if he had chosen Mitt Romney, or even that other female Republican (sorry, can't remember her name right now..I think she may be a governor).

I'm curious though as to what made your dad change? I know you said he didn't give a flying fig about Palin...so was that his main reasoning?

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Didn't you say a previous post in the simulated conversation with me that someone will say that something I said doesn't make sense? Now you are saying that isn't the case? Which one is it? Make up your mind.


And again, no one on here responds to every post. It's not "ignoring." Sometimes people just don't feel like responding to certain posts.

Have you responded to EVERY single post in this thread? I hope you have based on your attitude about the matter.

I’m sorry, my simulated conversation was just a general statement. People don’t say you don’t make sense, they basically react to something you say that is wrong, extreme, or different from their opinion. For example... ‘Wrong’ would be when people thought you said no one could visit the White House, and someone posted a link to White House tours. ‘Different from their opinion’ would be when everyone thought you were justifying physically taking a hat off of someone’s head, and people thought that wasn’t the right thing to do. Again, sorry.. I MISSPOKE.

I never said that you have to respond to every post. I said... what I find interesting is which posts you choose to ignore. Speaking of which, I’m still curious as to who is in this mob...

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I agree with you, esp. on the "aggressive Godlessnes" point. I've been told that I am following "complete heresy" because of my opinions about God/science/evolution. I have to consider the source though.

It's funny to see "complete heresy" thrown out there because I think of "heresy" as a term Catholics like to throw around and Catholics are cool with Darwin. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5705331.ece

At least today, long after the theory is completely accepted scientifically.. .

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Speaking of which, I’m still curious as to who is in this mob...

lol Why are you curious? (no sarcasm with this smiley face)