Information on HBGLOs

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
OK I understand how those were things that helped you.

But I would think a lot of sororities help with classes, scholarships, and moving in. No?

I mean sure, if you look at the NPC what really separates all the GLOs? Are there DEEP fundamental differences? No. I think quite a bit of it comes from how well they do nationally, but most of it is from how great of a chapter they have locally (size, achievements, how you get along with sister/brothers).

I just have a hard time understanding how you know what sorority your daughter will be in if you aren't your daughter and don't know how she'll interact with certain sisters. I guess those that do are relying solely on stereotypes then unless there is someone who is really adamant about voting or SAT lessons or something.

-Rudey

I think you're trying too hard. He probably said it in jest. If you really want to know, maybe you should ask him.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I think you're trying too hard.

Always.

As we said pages ago, no answer will suffice.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Rudey
I think quite a bit of it comes from how well they do nationally, but most of it is from how great of a chapter they have locally (size, achievements, how you get along with sister/brothers).

We said that pages ago.

This is why the ignore function is stupid. Sometimes people are actually answering your questions.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by jubilance1922
I think you're trying too hard. He probably said it in jest. If you really want to know, maybe you should ask him.

Well the thing is I am trying to converse with people about what they think regarding why others join. I don't want one hard single answer. I am looking to understand what different people say.

But I will ask and more and more people will answer and at some point I'm sure I'll have a better idea (I'll have accomplished what I wanted). I won't have done any harm to any BGLO and nobody will cry because no secrets would be shared or anything. I guess you can all just say "Research" over and over but what will that accomplish at the end of the day?

-Rudey

[jubilance1922]

Originally posted by Rudey
Well the thing is I am trying to converse with people about what they think regarding why others join. I don't want one hard single answer. I am looking to understand what different people say.

But I will ask and more and more people will answer and at some point I'm sure I'll have a better idea (I'll have accomplished what I wanted). I won't have done any harm to any BGLO and nobody will cry because no secrets would be shared or anything. I guess you can all just say "Research" over and over but what will that accomplish at the end of the day?

-Rudey

But you are missing something. I only know the reason I joined. I can't speculate why my linesister joined, or my friend that is a member of DST, or one of my high school teacher's who is an AKA. Everyone has their own reasons for joining their GLO of choice. If you want to hear personal anecdotes, perhaps you should make a new thread called "Why you joined your GLO." Maybe you find what you are looking for there.

[elldawg]

You are more likely to get the wrong information when you do not seek official sources for the information.

No doubt. you are more likely to get wrong answers when you use unofficial sources. That does not mean that information from unofficial sources must be inaccurate.

Greekchat posters are not official sources for information.

Right On!

For questions like "how will someone know they want XYZ before they go to college," we gave general answers pages ago. If people wanted PERSONAL accounts, that's all they had to ask for and a couple of people would've responded accordingly.

Sho ya right!

People who have common sense and know how to read know that all NPHC greeks aren't dismissive.

Whoa, Nelly! I get the sense that through ones personal experiences, one might come to the conclusion that NPHC greeks are dismissive. Since common sense is somewhatderived from experience...

These people understand why some of us have commented as we have.

Apparently not.

Do not feel you have to "save the world" because you really are not saying anything that hasn't been said in this LOOOOOONG thread already.

Thanks...

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by elldawg
You are more likely to get the wrong information when you do not seek official sources for the information.

No doubt. you are more likely to get wrong answers when you use unofficial sources. That does not mean that information from unofficial sources must be inaccurate.

Greekchat posters are not official sources for information.

Right On!

For questions like "how will someone know they want XYZ before they go to college," we gave general answers pages ago. If people wanted PERSONAL accounts, that's all they had to ask for and a couple of people would've responded accordingly.

Sho ya right!

People who have common sense and know how to read know that all NPHC greeks aren't dismissive.

Whoa, Nelly! I get the sense that through ones personal experiences, one might come to the conclusion that NPHC greeks are dismissive. Since common sense is somewhatderived from experience...

These people understand why some of us have commented as we have.

Apparently not.

Do not feel you have to "save the world" because you really are not saying anything that hasn't been said in this LOOOOOONG thread already.

Thanks...

Elldawg, spare yourself the post dissection. It adds nothing.

The people who will understand already do understand. You can waste your time on the REST if you choose. Just do not pretend as though you are doing NPHCers any favors.

[babe'sbabe]

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Originally posted by Rudey
I just have a hard time understanding how you know what sorority your daughter will be in if you aren't your daughter and don't know how she'll interact with certain sisters. I guess those that do are relying solely on stereotypes then unless there is someone who is really adamant about voting or SAT lessons or something.
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Huh??

Ok, I gave you a personal account to illustrate the points that others made in previous posts. I guess other sororities probably do assist with move in but they didn't assist ME. Also, the same group that assisted me in getting to college was there for me the first day of college. It made ME want to KNOW MORE about the group.

I can not speak on the situattion of why some said his daughter won't be a member of a particular org. It could have been in jest, or it could have been because his crazy ex was a member of the group. The bottom line is this, joining a Divine 9 org is a extermely personal decission. I can't tell you why someone else joined DST or SGRho. But I can tell you what attracted me to Alpha. So just take it for what its worth.

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Originally posted by Rudey
I think quite a bit of it comes from how well they do nationally, but most of it is from how great of a chapter they have locally (size, achievements, how you get along with sister/brothers)
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You are a member of the national org for life, and the chapter is the vehicle in which you live out the ideals of the organization. Its where you put in your blood, sweat, and tears. Its where you do the work of the org. However, chapters are not permanent. People move, but the national organization is the glue that cements all the chapters together.


I interacted with the chapter members before rush in order to get to know them. If my org only had 2 women on campus it would not affect my choice. MEMBERSHIP IS A LIFETIME COMMITMENT! It is not something that I would capriciously entertain.

[Wolfman]

The answer to your query is not a simple one, as a previous poster said. People do have all kinds of motivations to join the organizations they do. But as a matter of history, not hearsay or interfraternal polemics, one major reason people are attracted to or prejudiced against certain groups is due to certain stereotyes that do have an influence among those oriented to NPHC groups. It is ironic though that the websites of our groups don't address this issue head on.

Just as the founding of Kappa Alpha Society led to the founding of Delta Phi and Sigma Phi, and the presence of Alpha Delta Phi at Miami of Ohio led to the organization of Beta Theta Pi, and a rift amongst members of the Dekes at Miami led to the founding of Sigma Chi, simliar dynmaics led to the founding of most NPHC groups. (This is not much discussed nowadays but it is important and interesting;even some historical accounts tend to gloss over this.) Where this knowledge has been lost or obscured, the stereotypes that are attached to the groups are the link to this history. As I have said on numerous occasions, this has a powerful influence on some,favorably or unfavorably predisposing them to certain groups. These issues revolved around class/caste differences, social tastes, etc.

In Arnold Rampersad's magisterial multi-volume biography of Langston Hughes,who was initiated into the Omega Psi Phi Fraternity at Lincoln University(PA) by the Beta Chapter, he notes a letter from Countee Cullen, friend and fellow poet and auteur of the so-called Harlem Reniassance who, when he finds out that Hughes is going to pledge Omega, tries to dissuade him from doing so. (Cullen was an Alpha.) The issue was one of being in the premier black fraternity or, from the viewpoint of Omegas, a sense of false elitism. This was definitley a "hot button" issue with the Sigmas also. Similar dynamics playes themselves out amongst the sororities also.

When I went to a Kappa "smoker" in '79, the Province Polemarch, who was from my hometown and a classmate of my mother, spoke disparingly of Omega men at one point. And a brother in a chapter I was in in California, whose son's college roomate and primary circle of friends were Sigmas, told us that he sat his son down one day and told him that if he pledged Sigma he would disown him, and a DST friend of mine told me that when she was a little girl her DST mom would not let her wear pink and green. These are just examples of sentiments by some NPHC Greeks themselves who hold vey strong views. Are they the majority, I don't think so. But, in fact, if this is the case for informed and well-educated folk, what about the outsiders wannabees. As I've stated on several occasions, when I often meet a non-Greek and they see that I'm an Omega man, they often respond in a certain stereotypical way. It appears to me that most NIC and NPC groups do not have this powerful "branding" that shapes people's perception about them.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by babe'sbabe
If my org only had 2 women on campus it would not affect my choice.

Mine had 3 when I first came to college.

[elldawg]

I personally don't think anyone here is being dismissive. Are you saying that when an interest comes up to you and asks you what the names of the founders of PBS are, you volunteer the information? I doubt it. You do what everyone here is saying: RESEARCH!

I've never been asked by an interest who my founders are. In fact, I think that would be a very odd question for an interest to ask me. A crescent, maybe, but not an interest. I'm not sure how I would respond.

Not to mention, you can only comment on YOUR experience and YOUR org. I know I don't want you telling anyone about Sigma Gamma Rho, cause you aren't a member of my organization. If you want to comment on you and yours, go ahead. But don't try to come in and shame those who have chosen to answer questions differently.

My experience tells me that SGRho was founded in 1922 at Butler university by seven teachers. It is the only NPHC sorority to not be founded at Howard. Unlike the other NPHC sororities, it shares no official or historic relationship with an NPHC fraternity (i.e. first fam, coleman love, blue & white constitutional bond). I could go on, but I won't.
Disclaimer: There's a chance that some of this information is incorrect.

I aint tryin'a shame nobody. I want folks to understand that not all NPHC greeks are dismissive. Period.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by Wolfman
It is ironic though that the websites of our groups don't address this issue head on.

Why should they?

That issue tends to delve into the "black bourgeoisie/black elite" discussion that is frowned upon by some. Moreover, some people become consumed with stereotypes so our NHQ should not endorse discussions that could be misapplied by some.

Either way, there are all sorts of historical dynamics in the black community and society at large. These things should be learned as a part of our histories and not just because someone is interested in BGLOs.

[Imperial1]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
There are only a handful of NPHC posters on GC who were on KAZO before they came to GC. Myself NOT included.

*Adds myself to the "NOT included" list.*

Imperial1

[ladygreek]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
Mine had 3 when I first came to college.

Mine had one.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by elldawg
Disclaimer: There's a chance that some of this information is incorrect.

I want folks to understand that not all NPHC greeks are dismissive.

Be nondismissive about general NPHC issues and SPECIFIC Phi Beta Sigma issues, then.

Your "eager beaver" mentality is ironic considering your disclaimer. Your inclusion of a DISCLAIMER means you should leave divulging SGRho information to the SGRhos.