Woman gives birth to eight babies

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Yeah, I read that. What's going on there?

She's trying to one-up Michelle Duggar.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by OTW

She's trying to one-up Michelle Duggar.

But how's she getting knocked up? There ain't no babies-daddy!

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

http://www.latimes.com/features/heal...,1184425.story

In vitro fertilization.

They were talking about this on The View this morning and the issue of ethics.

Was it in vitro, or just Clomid? Often times, the high-order multiples will be a result of high doses of Clomid because the parents can't afford to do in vitro. In vitro can be really expensive, and not all insurance carriers cover it. Clomid, on the other hand, is much cheaper and usually is covered by insurance. Most doctors won't implant more than two or three embryos in vitro just because of how difficult it is to carry anywhere near full-term.

Also, from what I understand, Clomid is the first line of defense when dealing with infertility, but in normal doses, it only causes an extra one or two eggs to come out...the crazy doses that these women are taking would cause abnormal hyperstimulation of the ovaries.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Is Clomid a fertility drug? I think one of the articles discussed the debate over whether a fertility drug or in vitro was used.

On The View, they acted certain that it was in vitro. But that's neither here nor there.

Clomid stimulates ovarian activity. In normal doses, it can treat PCOS and other conditions where ovulation has been interrupted.

The women on The View can all be a little crazy, and I'm not surprised they didn't know the nuances.

[Tippiechick]

Originally Posted by Jen

Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

I just think all the hostility I'm seeing around the internet directed toward the mother is unfair. If she did use fertility drugs, I think the questions need to be directed to the medical professionals who said "This woman with 6 kids needs fertility drugs/IVF/IUI" etc.

If this octuplet mom didn't use any fertility methods, she's getting a hell of a lot of flack for no reason.

She's a fucking idiot for wanting to bring yet another child in this world when she already has 6 that she apparently can't care for on her own... You live with mom and dad and your SIX kids and you feel the need to have MORE???

I'll direct every bit of my anger to her. She has now 8 more kids to bring into a crowded home. People can choose to have sex. They can choose to prevent pregnancy if they so desire. She seems to be dependent enough already needing help to raise the kids she has.

People kill me.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Jen

Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

No, but you can buy it off of the Internet. You can go to an unscrupulous doctor and tell them you're suffering from PCOS, and the doctor can write you a prescription, which you take all at once. You can buy it from a friend who was prescribed it. I read somewhere that Clomid is one of the most popular non-painkillers on the black market. Like I said before, some insurers cover it, others don't; it's easy to see how people who want a kid and who can't afford in vitro would take this route.

[Jill1228]

Originally Posted by Jen

Unless the mother was using them irresponsibly, I can't see how she's at fault - someone had to give her a prescription. You can't waltz into Wal-Mart and pick Clomid off the shelves in the baby department.

I know that in some pharmacies in Mexico (which is not too far from the LA area) you can get a lot of stuff without a prescription...

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

No, but you can buy it off of the Internet. You can go to an unscrupulous doctor and tell them you're suffering from PCOS, and the doctor can write you a prescription, which you take all at once. You can buy it from a friend who was prescribed it. I read somewhere that Clomid is one of the most popular non-painkillers on the black market. Like I said before, some insurers cover it, others don't; it's easy to see how people who want a kid and who can't afford in vitro would take this route.

There are also sites where people sell their unused fertility meds (either they got pregnant or their doctor has changed their medication protocol and they want to recoup some of their costs back). Or you can post an ad looking for certain meds. Some have a prescription for it but if you don't have insurance (or your insurance is too damn stingy to cover it...don't get me started) it can cost a hell of a lot more through a pharmacy and buying someone's left over meds can save a lot of money. So they go by what their prescription says and then get what they need off the internet.

Originally Posted by libramunoz

Usually someone with PCOS has been dx by a dr and it's been a known condition for years. In getting pregnant, usually a doctor for a woman with PCOS tries to do an egg freezing process first.
The PCOS has to be a documented case first, I know b/c I have it.

I have never heard of that. I have PCOS and was put on Metformin.

As a rule, Clomid will not produce that many eggs. I am wondering if she used injectables without a doctor's supervision. IUI or timed sex with injectables have more of a chance of multiples

Obviously she does not have fertility problems. Most RE's (reproductive endocrinolgists) would not have touched her with a 10 foot pole

[AGDee]

Ok, she's a whack job! I just want more info before I make that conclusion

[libramunoz]

"I have never heard of that. I have PCOS and was put on Metformin.

As a rule, Clomid will not produce that many eggs. I am wondering if she used injectables without a doctor's supervision. IUI or timed sex with injectables have more of a chance of multiples

Obviously she does not have fertility problems. Most RE's (reproductive endocrinolgists) would not have touched her with a 10 foot pole" from Jill.

Different doctors offer the process of the ovary freezing process (I misquoted myself when I said egg). It just depends on the insurance being willing to pay or if the person/couple wants to independently pay.
Yeah, I was put on Metformin too but it made me sick, so I went back to Glucophage. Don't take anything now.

[KappaKittyCat]

Originally Posted by Jen

I thought there were laws against the number of embryo transfers allowed. I know here in Canada, you can only have 4 transferred, as it gives you a 25% chance of ONE taking.

I was under the impression that there were similar laws in the US, but apparently that isn't the case?

Nope, no laws. There are "guidelines," but there's no enforcement.

Once mom of 14 comes home...grandma's taking off

[Jill1228]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Her mom said she got "paid" for it. I don't know what that means, exactly. But maybe one of the benefits of working at a fertility clinic is free drugs and implantation?

I dunno know about that. I know there are studies that you can sign up for that would give you a free IVF (with meds). But seeing her history (that she has 6 kids via IVF) they would have most likely rejected her outright

Originally Posted by Jen

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...ome;topStories

Now she has an agent.

Can we say "ATTENTION WHORE"?


I knew you could

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by Jill1228

I dunno know about that. I know there are studies that you can sign up for that would give you a free IVF (with meds). But seeing her history (that she has 6 kids via IVF) they would have most likely rejected her outright

I don't know about it either. Perhaps I didn't express my skepticism enough. I couldn't believe anything these nuts say, because clearly the woman and her parents are Grade-A liars and charlatans.

For me, I'm not annoyed because of how many children she has...my grandparents had 13 kids, but they weren't sucking the government teat and the kids were all spaced out fairly responsibly. This woman is a leech on all of our resources. This has gone beyond talk of "reproductive freedom," and is just irresponsible.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Jen

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...ome;topStories

Now she has an agent.

I think she's trying to position herself to get the most out of her "15 minutes."

She's trying to position herself to become like a Jon and Kate Plus 8.

Except I don't think people will be as interested.

[honeychile]

Question: Is she an American citizen or not? I know her father is an Iraqi.