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Old 07-21-2004, 01:10 AM
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This thread has 21 pages of posts in three days. this is one of the fastest growing threads I have ever seen. I hope that it is not closed.
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Old 07-21-2004, 03:10 AM
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Re: eh?

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STORY SYNOPSIS: One group of Sneetches feels superior to another because of stars on their bellies. When the other group of Sneetches feels left out, Sylvester McMonkey McBean uses a machine to add and take off stars, with the Sneetches paying for the changes. What happens when the money runs out?

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OMG when I first started readin this thread I thought of the EXACT same story.

No kind of Sneetch is the best on the beach.
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Old 07-21-2004, 03:13 AM
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death squad what


i am kidding,
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Old 07-21-2004, 03:23 AM
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Oh and DGqueen, I feel your pain with the broken car situation. My transmission went out a few weeks ago and it was $1500. My car probably isn't even worth much more than that.
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Old 07-21-2004, 04:06 AM
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This thread is....

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Old 07-21-2004, 05:08 AM
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Cool

Hey i guess im part of the "Everyone else" group, but i think it'll be cooler if we changed our group name to "The Group Formaly Known As Everyone Else"
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:14 AM
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Nobody want to joined the Crowded House clique?
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Old 07-21-2004, 05:28 AM
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Oh and DGqueen, I feel your pain with the broken car situation. My transmission went out a few weeks ago and it was $1500. My car probably isn't even worth much more than that.
LOL! I keep having that situation occur. My dad always says, can you afford to fix the car? Me: Sort of; My dad: Can you afford to buy a new car? Me: No; Dad: Case closed.

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Old 07-21-2004, 09:02 AM
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First time on the thread:

If you don't want people talking isht about you, don't put your isht up on the internet for the world to see! Don't want people to say you're ugly? Don't put your mug on an online photo album and then ADVERTISE it to other people! Don't want people to criticize your relationship? Don't talk about the gory details of your sex life on GC! If you have GC people on your blog or other internet boards, filter them out if you don't want them commenting on your lifestyle? Hell, no one knows what I'm registered for--how many GC people are going to buy me presents for my wedding? If you ain't gonna buy, it's like Salt N Pepa said--ain't none of your business! If you don't want people from GC commenting on your real life--keep it separate, kids. Basically, no one talks about my isht 'cause I don't put it out there for the whole damned world to see.

What this entire thread boils down to is people not wanting to be excluded--which is funny, because whenever Greek selection doctrines are challenged, we argue and whine that we can pick whomever we want. We're all used to being part of the "in crowd," and when we're not...we could spit nails 'cause we haven't had it any other way.
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Old 07-21-2004, 11:25 AM
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Originally posted by Munchkin03
First time on the thread:

If you don't want people talking isht about you, don't put your isht up on the internet for the world to see! Don't want people to say you're ugly? Don't put your mug on an online photo album and then ADVERTISE it to other people! Don't want people to criticize your relationship? Don't talk about the gory details of your sex life on GC! If you have GC people on your blog or other internet boards, filter them out if you don't want them commenting on your lifestyle? Hell, no one knows what I'm registered for--how many GC people are going to buy me presents for my wedding? If you ain't gonna buy, it's like Salt N Pepa said--ain't none of your business! If you don't want people from GC commenting on your real life--keep it separate, kids. Basically, no one talks about my isht 'cause I don't put it out there for the whole damned world to see.

What this entire thread boils down to is people not wanting to be excluded--which is funny, because whenever Greek selection doctrines are challenged, we argue and whine that we can pick whomever we want. We're all used to being part of the "in crowd," and when we're not...we could spit nails 'cause we haven't had it any other way.
It actually has more to do with people going out of their way to be mean than people not wanting to be excluded. A few people have gone on attack mode and ganged up on other people. It hurts to be ganged up on. It offends me and apparently quite a few others to see it happen.

As for your first paragraph, I agree that you shouldn't put your private information out there on the internet. I don't understand why someone would want to comment negatively about someone else's looks or wedding registry or lifestyle. I figure if I have nothing nice to say, I say nothing at all. It helps keep the peace in my life. It just might do the same on GC.
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Old 07-21-2004, 11:33 AM
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I don't understand why someone would want to comment negatively about someone else's looks or wedding registry or lifestyle.
Agreed, particularly since I didn't put my information on GC, I put it on my live journal so that my bridal party could reference it.(and interestingly, it hasn't been the GCers on my friends list who have been the ones with the majority of comments). I choose to keep most of my private life off GC... but I can't help it if people are going to go searching offsite for things to make fun of me for, and I'm not going to live my life hiding information from the world just so a bunch of internet personas don't make fun of me. As I said in my first post, I think that reflects a lot more on those who are doing the mocking, not on the choices I make in my personal life.
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Old 07-21-2004, 11:59 AM
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Sadly, I am now beginning to think poorly of those posters as people. They're people I don't really want to talk to on GC. I just feel like they're not very nice and, if I tried to join in on a conversation, I'd probably get ignored or pushed around because I'm not in their "cool group".

Is it just me who notices this? Clearly not.

I guess these people don't realize how bad they look to others. Maybe they don't care. Normally I would just try and ignore them, but it's kind of hard to when these people are barging in on threads and starting stuff seemingly at random.
I hesitate to even post this because it will move the thread back to the top of the queue, however I think that what Navane says above is really important.

Here is my minority report.

When I began posting on GreekChat, I thought it was a good, informative and helpful voice for the Fraternity/Sorority system. It was a nice place to make some (internet) friends and enter into some reasonable and respectful, although sometimes heated, debates.

In short, I thought it was a good "voice" for the Greek System.

I'm not so sure of that anymore.

Good people have become offended and frustrated and left GC entirely. Many don't access the Chit Chat forums at all. This is all sad to me.

The Greek System isn't supposed to be about egocentric people, but rather about friendship, brother/sisterhood and putting one's personal feelings second to the good of the whole -- at least whenever possible. I know it's not a perfect world. But does this public bickering underpin the self centered stereotype that we fight? Does it re-enforce the feeling that we are members of various cliques?

There are comments to the effect that "this isn't real, it's only the internet." I'm very much afraid that the internet is very real. People get stalked here, people get scammed here -- people fall in love here. Relationships and marriages are ruined here.

People get highly offended here. Sometimes hurt.

That seems pretty "real" to me.

I think that this kind of acrimony hurts and diminishes the potential good that Greek Chat can do and has done. Especially when we act, as someone has portrayed us above, like Middle Schoolers.

Further, I think that this kind of degeneration can damage the entire Greek System. How much, I can't say -- or even guess. Perhaps not much, but every little bit hurts a system that is constantly struggling with its image to the rest of the world. The damage may be more than a little.

As I have said before, pretty much anyone can access these pages. That includes the famous PNM's and their parents. Put yourself in their place and wonder what their reaction to all of this bickering might be. Will some good potential member be put off. Will some parent forbid his/her child to rush? Will some newsperson or author or other detractor use this as proof of how "disfunctional" Greek Life "is."

I am not stupid enough to think that we will all always get along. However, I don't believe that this is the place to air our dirty laundry. We have PM and we have e-mail. We have chat groups. Why not take the ugliness there?

It is not impossible to disagree with some degree of respect. Everyone deserves that -- even our enemies and detractors. We deserve respect from them as well.

Imagine a Greek Chat where information can be shared, problems discussed and solutions found. Imagine good debates and discussions without name calling and what I call bullying. Those who use those tactics know who they are.

My glasses are not rose colored and my life certainly isn't all sweetness and light, but I have learned over a few more years than most of our posters that in order to survive in society, with credit to Rodney King, to some extent we all have to get along. Or at least pretend that we do.

I had the opportunity a few years ago to take a course in negotiation taught by distinguished faculty from Harvard and MIT. Some of them were former diplomats and high industry officials. Suscessful negotiation is not when one side wins all. Both sides need to walk away from the table with something that makes them feel good. I think respectful argument and debate is the same. Seldom is either side totally right.

If I were still managing a large department, and this kind of bickering broke out, some heads would roll. With this kind of unpleasentness, little gets accomplished.

Back to the rose colored spectacles. I doubt that this tirade will change anything, but to be honest, I'm disgusted with the direction things are going.

Thank you for taking the time to read this -- I know it is long.
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Old 07-21-2004, 02:38 PM
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this strikes me as highly similar to when the older actives, moving on to alumni status and the real world, lament about how much better the chapter was in 'their day' . . . Greekchat was always drama-filled, one way or another - we just whine about it more in public, and the huge growth in membership means a commensurate growth in drama.

this revisionist history is garbage.
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Old 07-21-2004, 08:06 PM
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Ginger and P-and-C, I think you both missed my point to some extent. The reason for the original posts was in response to the "cliques" that are/have been forming---and the complaints about hateful behavior grew out of that. In my mind, those are two different issues

Also, many people have linked or refer to their LJs on GC. I know what I have to do to keep those two avenues of my life separate. I didn't think it was so hard.

If so many people were hurt and offended by what others said, criticizing them and their lifestyles, why didn't it go to PM? I have had no problem, when things bother me, either going to the source or reporting to a mod. It's certainly better--and more mature and assertive--than whining about it on a board in a passive-agressive manner. If I reported and still got no results, THEN I would air it. But I doubt that's really the case here.
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Old 07-21-2004, 09:56 PM
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Munchkin03, thanks for clarifying. I don't really care about cliques or inside jokes. I figure that for a variety of reasons such as geography, age, personality, etc. certain people will hit it off and get along better than others. Friendships form, and experiences are shared both on and offline. That's great.

My concern is just the mean stuff. That is all. I agree with you that sending PMs and notifying moderators can help resolve a lot of problems. I think that this thread has become sort of a collective venting in an attempt to air grievances and resolve the problems that many people think plague GC.
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