Our SDSU chapter, Zeta Pi Zeta....

[Trey_P-I_47]

biofuels could be a crock of shit, but with gas prices the way they are and continue to rise......im willing to look at an alternative fuel source.


BTW I think HYBRIDS are bs too......tell me why a Geo Metro got better gas mileage 20 years ago (approx 55 MPG) then any compact HYBRID car today (averaging around 40 MPG)

[GammaZeta]

Ethanol is a dream, and a dumb one.

My SUV doesn't run on corn...

[Trey_P-I_47]

psssshhhhh drugs arent bad......there is in fact a little known chemical in weed called 'fuckit'......as soon as you get a little bit of that in your system, all of lifes problems just go away.


^the above is an adaption from Katt Williams

[GammaZeta]

"Likewise, as members of Lambda Chi Alpha, we own this fraternity."

That's what I've been saying all this time!

Fight the power (HQ)!!!!!!

[Trey_P-I_47]

mmmmmmmm...........Taco Bell.......then another fatty

[GammaZeta]

Are you going loco Tom?

I'm not complaining!

I'm just stating my opinion.

In my last three to four posts, I am acting like the anti-lawyer. I have no idea how you can say I am acting like a lawyer.

"FIGHT THE POWER!"
-Public Enemy

[GammaZeta]

Read the history of Coca-Cola...

[LXA_KA_1287]

Personally I think that the brothers involved should be given the boot while the rest of the chapter is allowed to continue on with more oversight. That is, if Greek Life is allowed to continue at SDSU (hopefully it is).

Maybe its just me being naive from only being involved with the fraternity for less than a year. Who knows.

(As a side note, the law needs changed. People possessing small amounts of marijuana don't need locked up for years and clogging up our jail systems. They either need to legalize it or make non-jail penalties for it.)

[nittanyalum]

^^^Sorry, for the crash, but are you from PA, by any chance?

[LXA grits]

May I remind many of you who need reminding:

Lambda Chi Alpha has explicit resolutions on the use of illegal drugs. In fact, one of our BASIC membership expectations is that we, as members, will not use or support the use of illegal drugs. In addition, we have six statements in our "Policy on Illegal Drugs" that support the abolishment of marijuana and other such drugs in Lambda Chi Alpha. It "shall not be tolerated" and we are to "strictly enforce this policy". According to the majority vote of acceptance of our current Constitution and Statutory Code, the use or support of this drug-associated behavior is unconstitutional to Lambda Chi Alpha, based on the fact that it's detrimental to our members and chapters. I, personally, agree with these resolutions, and support the presented evidence. You need to (pulling from previous posts) WAKE UP and realize that your responsibilities as a member of Lambda Chi Alpha are to ensure the best environment for fraternal success. Suggesting that the use of illegal drugs in our fraternity would be a good thing is ridiculous. I abide by the laws and traditions of our fraternity, as it is in the fraternity's best interest to do so. As far as the SDSU (San Diego State University, not South Dakota State University) situation is concerned, I feel that if individual members can be held accountable for their actions (assuming a few were involved) in order for this situation to put Lambda Chi Alpha back on the "road to recovery" then they individually need to be held accountable. It would do well to require the (constitutionally encouraged, anyway) chapter to educate themselves on illegal drug policy, unbiased research, and historical results of drug use in our chapters. However, if the chapter is found to be "in too deep" to save themselves, or if the chapter members of Zeta-Pi Zeta have been inundated so much as to become "un-salvageable," then the responsibility rests on the fraternity to hold the entire chapter accountable for their actions. There are varying levels and different routes to go in lending assistance and support to our members. If the International Fraternity begins to view illegal drug use as a supported aspect of chapter operations, then we are doing a disservice to our members and the fraternal community. I understand that many see marijuana use as a "coming of age" or "college-time past-time", but the fraternity (and its members) should keep with the position that it's not acceptable or beneficial for our members. And that's the most important thing that our International Fraternity needs to keep in mind; ensuring the best undergraduate membership experience possible.

In "my honest opinion" Z A X ,

[GammaZeta]

Grits,

So you're saying, if you ever saw one of you brothers using drugs, you would immediately begin the process of kicking them out?

If we went by the letter on every rule or resolution, we would'nt have any membership left.

These are 18, 19 and 20 year old kids living on their own for the first time. Of course they are going to do drugs. I've been to every LXA chapter in New England. If we upheld that law, there would be no LXA chapters in New England.

[Mooch279]

I think we need to wait to hear all the facts before making any judgments on the chapter... as it stands now we have no idea why the chapter was suspended. We don't know if any brothers we involved with selling drugs, my guess would be there weren't b/c the house wasn't raided by the cops. Maybe a couple brothers we caught buying from the other house, if so the entire chapter shouldn't be punished for the acts of a few. the brotherly thing to do would be to help them over come their drug problem. Looking at the layout of "fraternity row" it looks to me like the 5 other fraternities suspended are all situated either on corners or high foot traffic areas so my guess is that drugs were being sold outside of the house and they were suspended for not reporting it.

But I think this can all be summed up in the immortal words of Eric Stratton (Rush Chair, Damn glad to meet you):

Otter: Point of parliamentary procedure!
Hoover: Don't screw around, they're serious this time!
Otter: Take it easy, I'm pre-law.
Boon: I thought you were pre-med.
Otter: What's the difference?
[Addressing the room]
Otter: Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did.
[winks at Dean Wormer]
Otter: But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
[Leads the Deltas out of the hearing, all humming the Star-Spangled Banner]

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Grits,

So you're saying, if you ever saw one of you brothers using drugs, you would immediately begin the process of kicking them out?

If we went by the letter on every rule or resolution, we would'nt have any membership left.

These are 18, 19 and 20 year old kids living on their own for the first time. Of course they are going to do drugs. I've been to every LXA chapter in New England. If we upheld that law, there would be no LXA chapters in New England.

Well, in your words they all do drugs so, this makes it okay along with what Jono posted?

So, I am wondering what the heck the question is?

So it is illegal in the eyes of the law and outlawed by LXA which was voted on by members who are Brothers as such.

I am sorry, what part is not clear? Dah?

You want a pissing contest? It is in black and white. NO DRUGS!

[GammaZeta]

Wow Tom, thanks for clearing that up.

So I guess the reality of the situation is, that no LXA brother had done, or ever will do, an illegal drug? Right?

I'm also guessing that since we outlawed hazing AND drinking under 21, that no LXA has ever engaged in those activites? Right?

[LXA grits]

I want to make sure nobody is making assumptions.

I said that if a member was using illegal drugs, they would need to be held accountable for those actions. I did not specify what that consequence would be, because I think those types of reactions need to be appropriate to individual situations. If the Constitution and Statutory Code does not explicitly mandate or advise a particular punishment, then it is up to the chapter's Executive Committee (or, at a higher level, the Grand High Zeta or General Assembly) to decide what consequence is appropriate.

To specifically answer GammaZeta’s question…(“So you're saying, if you ever saw one of you brothers using drugs, you would immediately begin the process of kicking them out?”):

I was Phi, Standards Chairman, and an Exec member-at-large my senior year. I found out three members were making a bad name for Lambda Chi by smoking weed and associating drugs with our chapter. I brought them up on charges in front of Exec, and a decision was made by the Committee. ...(I think, if I remember correctly, that they (1) were required to be sober - no drugs or alcohol - for the rest of that academic year, they (2) completed extra house clean-up chores, and they (3) attended a college presentation on the negative effects of drugs.) These were three decent guys that ended up quitting the drugs and rebuilding their relationship with the chapter. I think one became Tau and the other became Kappa their senior years. So, yes, I certainly think members (and chapters) can grow to become better after difficulties, if appropriate measures are taken. A member can be rebuked, and then as long as he seeks forgiveness through mending his ways, then he can improve his status back to full-membership. ...same thing for a chapter.

On the other hand, I've also been placed in the sad, but sometimes necessary, role of leading a Membership Review committee. This "house-cleaning", as I've seen it called, was at a chapter of about 100 members. This Zeta was in such disarray, due mostly to drug and alcohol abuse, that their operations were struggling to stay above water. Their leadership was disrespected, their treasury was in the red, each of their offices was in a sad state, and overall morale was killing their chance of survival. It was deemed impossible that this chapter would be able to climb up the improvement ladder with its current membership of so many men pulling down the chapter, again mostly due to their illegal lifestyles. It was necessary to work with them to ensure the chapter on that campus had re-growth. This was only possible if the men that were dragging down the chapter were formally disconnected from the fraternity, through the decisions of the Membership Review Committee. At the time, I hated it when I handed out 49 expulsion letters. I still don't like the fact that the environment in that Zeta had become so bad that it was necessary to expel them in order to save the chapter. But, now, I see that it saved the chapter in the end.

We don’t know the particulars in this situation, so we’re in no position to cast judgment. Let the chapter take care of itself, in most situations. In this case, someone has deemed that the chapter can’t make this decision on its own. If it’s up to the University, they’re going to do what they want to do…it’s their Greek system. If the decision comes down to our Office of Administration or a Status of Chapters Committee during this summer’s General Assembly…then I’m sure our brothers will do what’s in the best interest of the experience shared by the members of this fraternity.