Tiers in The SEC

[UTLonghorn2012]

Arkansas gets a lot of private school/Highland Park kids from Dallas who can't get in everywhere else.

About 10 percent of my 250 member all-guys class will be Hogs next year, and I expect a lot of them to pledge.

I expect that besides the private school crowds from Tulsa and Dallas and Memphis, most of U of A's fraternity community is coming from the Little Rock old money.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

I expect that besides the private school crowds from Tulsa and Dallas and Memphis, most of U of A's fraternity community is coming from the Little Rock old money.

In terms of quality, it comes from the private schools in Dallas, Memphis and Little Rock aaaand the Delta. Which has no private schools, but has some old money (and some no money at all) schools like DeWitt, Stuttgart, Gillette, some Pine Bluff and mostly towns that are barely on the map.


But you're correct about the private schools in Little Rock. Little Rock Catholic, Episcopal, and Central tend to bring out the most of 'em.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by UTLonghorn2012

Arkansas gets a lot of private school/Highland Park kids from Dallas who can't get in everywhere else.

About 10 percent of my 250 member all-guys class will be Hogs next year, and I expect a lot of them to pledge.

I expect that besides the private school crowds from Tulsa and Dallas and Memphis, most of U of A's fraternity community is coming from the Little Rock old money.

Welcome to UT!

Can I ask y'all a question? How do guys from the SEC schools honestly view W&L? I saw one of you included it as in-between first and second tier. I'm very curious to see what you have to say.

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I figured that's where you were coming from, and I'm sure it's accurate. I think UF is probably going to keep falling until we join the ranks of UNC. It's difficult to keep tradition strong here for several reasons. (I'm afraid that Georgia and Texas are hot on the trail)

1- Our president is fairly conservative, but the rest of the administration orgasms over the idea of "progress" and "diversity".
2- Admissions standards are getting tougher.
3- We have one of the cheapest tution rates in the country.
4- You were dead on about this. Most of the panhandle kids head to Auburn, Alabama, or LSU because they're actually CLOSER than Florida. And sometimes, students from Jacksonville and north will go to UGA.

What's left for us? Tampa, and parts of Orlando are still respectable. Most of the beach towns are good, Jacksonville, and Tallahassee. Slim pickin's.

Does Arkansas get much draw from the Missouri/Oklahoma/Kansas area?

We get great pledges from the Pensacola area. Tampa and Orlando can produce really solid guys too.

[gee_ess]

EW - are you ranking the entire Greek system at these schools?! What is your criteria? Or are you ranking a specific fraternity at these schools?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

EW - are you ranking the entire Greek system at these schools?! What is your criteria? Or are you ranking a specific fraternity at these schools?

What I assumed Lucky SC asked for was a tier of Greek life...more from a fraternity perspective because I know a great deal more compared to sorority life (though I would have to say that it's pretty close to the same...)

The qualifications are importance of Greek Life (though that's not a great determinant because in almost all of these schools it's very important), the importance of history/tradition, size, influence and affluence, alumni, etc.

Just for the helluvit I'll throw in the non-SEC/Big12South in there as well...

Top Tier:
Ole Miss
Hampden-Sydney
Alabama
Texas
South Carolina (questionable, perhaps lower)

-in between-
University of the South
Washington and Lee
Georgia
Auburn
LSU

2nd Tier:
Auburn
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
UNC (the existence of the big 4 sealed this deal)
Oklahoma
Texas Tech

-in between-
Arkansas
Florida
Oklahoma St.
Florida St.

3rd Tier:
NC State
Mississippi St.
Texas A&M
Kentucky
Baylor

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

So if there is a tier system, then how do the fraternities match up at say Alabama, UGA, LSU, South Carolina, Tennessee, etc? is there some kind of trend we see here for particular fraternities in the area?

Have the same fraternities been strong since conception of the chapters or the regional area, leaving no room for competition (basically the rich get richer deal)... or does whos the "best" cycle from time period to time period.

Just re-clarifying question...

[banditone]

I did a tally of SEC schools for who was listed in 1st tier the most often. It came out something like this:

(info taken from posts on oldrow)
KA
SAE
EX
EN

It was only the SEC schools tho.

[UGAalum94]

Couldn't we just leave this kind of stuff to Old Row or Fratting Hard?

It's not really that I object to it being here, but if we know there are other sites that meet someone's tier-based needs, couldn't we just refer people to them rather than reproducing the same type stuff here?

Or is there a need for tier based discussion in a less openly racist and generally vile climate? Old Row kind of scares me, but it's not written with middle aged women in mind.

[banditone]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Old Row kind of scares me, but it's not written with middle aged women in mind.

Funny, neither is this thread.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by banditone

Funny, neither is this thread.

Point taken. I've got no problem staying out of the fraternity threads as long as you guys have thought really hard about your "no women's comments invited policy." The threads with only guys in them don't ever seem to get very interesting even if you just use other guys posting as the standard.

Greek Chat = 75% women, I'd say, at least in terms of frequent users. Old Row not so much*.

ETA: *or at least it appears to be guys, but maybe it's really 84 year old women posing as college guys. With the internet, you never know for sure.

[banditone]

I'm just kidding. Post all you like!

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Couldn't we just leave this kind of stuff to Old Row or Fratting Hard?

It's not really that I object to it being here, but if we know there are other sites that meet someone's tier-based needs, couldn't we just refer people to them rather than reproducing the same type stuff here?

Or is there a need for tier based discussion in a less openly racist and generally vile climate? Old Row kind of scares me, but it's not written with middle aged women in mind.

As per the rules of the owner of GreekChat, we're not suppose to "direct anyone to any other greek website"...so, no, technically we can't.

Old Row is fun if you don't take it seriously. The stuff that gets said is often off the wall but great...the "how to frat hard" section is honestly the funniest fraternity related thing I've read in a long time. Fratting Hard is the less hardcore crowd with alot of Yankees and random small schools.

I did a tally of SEC schools for who was listed in 1st tier the most often. It came out something like this:

(info taken from posts on oldrow)
KA
SAE
EX
EN

It was only the SEC schools tho.

Agreed. There is alot of difference but it seems that these fraternities come up the most. Along with that Phi Delt chapters come up often, I think.

In my opinion and in no specific order...the top chapters in the South would go something like....

DKE - Alabama
SAE - Alabama
KA - Alabama
Sigma Nu - Ole Miss
Phi Delt - Ole Miss
Fiji - Texas
SAE - Texas

Those chapters are some of the more notable ones

[Lucky SC]

well its interesting to see the schools ranking, but i really meant more individual chapters, like are the SAE's and KA's going to be stronger in this area due to their "old south" kind of affiliation.

honestly though, I go to South Carolina and i'm surprised yall thought it was top tier ahead of UGA. I mean i'm honored you think so and i don't question it lol, but i always had the impression UGA was pretty intense atleast to be top tier too (grew up in GA).

[AnchorAlumna]

Good Lord. It's different at every school.
Get over your obsession!