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Old 10-03-2007, 04:39 PM
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Side note: I don't believe, just from personal experience, that those with most years of activity are the biggest contributors. Kind of like how experience is great but =/= leadership.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:58 PM
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I have heard lots of questions here regarding age of the PNMs and it being held against someone for being a sophomore while rushing. This concept is unheard for me and I don't exactly understand the reasoning or logic behind it.
It's a foreign concept for most LGLOs as well. Some organizations won't even allow a freshman to pursue membership at all; most make them wait until they have completed at least one full term. I don't have hard statistics on this, but from my own observations many people do not join LGLOs until late in the sophomore year or during the junior year.

However, from reading about quotas, etc. on GC, I can see why it is an issue for some of the NPC sororities.
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:37 PM
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So, I guess my question is - why would someone be at a disadvantage at your campus because they aren't a freshman?
This is a chapter issue more than a school issue. Further, it is an issue that can evolve and change over time with supply and demand.

Speaking specifically to NIC fraternities, such as your own- Sigma Nu, at any campus you care to name- even the SEC schools with highly competitive rush environments- there are always fraternities where sophomores and juniors will have no trouble rushing and getting a bid assuming they are otherwise deemed suitable candidates.

And at most schools, some more than others, there are fraternities where being beyond your freshman year is a major obstacle.

To use Texas as an example, I can think of 3 fraternities here where that has probably always been the case- all chapters which have at all times been strong in size and the most socially prominent organizations.

And at any given time there might be 5 or 6 where getting a bid as a sophomore or junior will be difficult- usually the 5 or 6 largest and most socially regarded chapters at the time.

It is a simple case of supply and demand. Coming into rush, any top fraternity at any campus will have way more eager rushees than they will have spots in the final pledge class. First priority will naturally go to legacies, guys who were known to the fraternity before they started college and freshman who come into rush who are ideal candidates and who have clearly planned to go Greek well before reaching college.

From that pool of candidates, there will still be many cuts- and so it can really hard for there to be space for someone who waited until sophomore year because they were not ready or not even really aware of Greek Life when they went to college.

It does not mean it is a hopeless cause. If a guy comes to college with no plans to go Greek and meets up with people as a freshman and turns out to be a solid candidate- he will have a fair shot at spring rush or perhaps even fall rush as a sophomore.

But someone coming blindly into rush with no prior connections as a sophomore is going to have a hard time purely because they waited.

This may disregard a particular individual who would make a great candidate, but it is a matter of practical convenience. Chapters have limited pledge class sizes, limited rush budgets and a limited amount of time in which to seek out the best potential candidates for membership.

And so sometimes arbitrary points like this become an issue- points which may not be good for an individual, but which do serve a general and legitimate practical purpose.

It is no different in professional life. In the world of accounting a great many senior staff and middle management accounting jobs are advertised ONLY for candidates with Big 4 Experience (Ernst & Young, Deloitte, KPMG and PriceWaterhouseCoopers.)

Making that arbitrary requirement does not guarantee all the candidates will be better than average, nor does it prevent you from missing a great candidate who did not choose to start their career in public accounting.

But with that arbitrary requirement you do generally get yourself a much more qualified and professional pool of candidates from which to choose. And if the supply is such that an ideal future employee is going to be contained within that pool of candidates- why take the time and expense to look at everyone? There is no benefit in that.

Then again, many companies consider all candidates since for whatever reason going only with Big 4 people is not a good idea. Maybe they do not have the prominent position that would attract such candidates, or maybe they do want to take the time to see everyone. Either way, their call whether to do that or not.

Anyhow, hope that helps.
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Chapters have limited pledge class sizes
On my campus, as far as fraternities are concerned, this is not the case...
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:05 PM
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I may be mistaken, but from reading the Alabama sorority recruitment thread, it appears there is an upperclassmen quota separate from the freshman quota. This may be unique to Bama, though.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:06 PM
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I may be mistaken, but from reading the Alabama sorority recruitment thread, it appears there is an upperclassmen quota separate from the freshman quota. This may be unique to Bama, though.
It's not completely unique, but it's not something that every school does, or even has the need to do.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:25 PM
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I'm a junior, looking to join a fraternity or start a chapter of one, a lot of thought is going into both options right now.

Of the fraternities at my school which I have checked out, they've all told me the same thing, that it's "never too late" to join, but I think they mean "as long as your still a undergrad", and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give say, a 45 year old a bid. But joining one in one's third or even fourth year isn't unheard of, I know a few people who've done just that.

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Old 10-05-2007, 04:39 PM
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I'm a junior, looking to join a fraternity or start a chapter of one, a lot of thought is going into both options right now.

Of the fraternities at my school which I have checked out, they've all told me the same thing, that it's "never too late" to join, but I think they mean "as long as your still a undergrad", and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't give say, a 45 year old a bid. But joining one in one's third or even fourth year isn't unheard of, I know a few people who've done just that.

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IMHO....I think Fraternities look at things a little differently than Sororities.

When I rushed (that shows my age there), I believe every house admitted Sophomores, but it was limited in some houses. Some sororities admitted Juniors, but not that many Juniors went through recruitment. I am not aware than anyone banned Seniors, but I can't remember any rushing or receiving a bid.

Frats.....I knew Seniors that pledged.

Bottom line....It's all up to the chapter.
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Old 10-05-2007, 04:43 PM
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It also depends on the type of group it is. I joined my local as a fourth year. In OPA, we've had plenty of pledge classes with no freshmen at all (a trend we made sure to discontinue--at one point, we were about to lose about half of our membership to graduation, so we recruited freshmen girls like crazy that semester!).

Also, my boyfriend joined Phi Kappa Sigma as a fifth year. Most GT students (I think the number is something like 70%) take more than four years to graduate, and their chapter was small at the time. From my experience, though, I've never seen a fraternity put a cap on how many bids to hand out or pledges to take in. Especially if a chapter is struggling with numbers; they can afford to mostly focus on quantity during rush, then determine quality later.
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:05 AM
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For a few orgs at my school, it is much harder to get in as a junior (we have sophomore rush). Some houses automatically cut all juniors and others may take 1 (certainly no more than 2) for the pledge class. Usually only about 5-10 juniors even rush.
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:26 PM
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Not really, just depends on the chapter I guess.
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:42 PM
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Not really, just depends on the chapter I guess.
We're mainly discussing NPC/IFC. It doesn't really apply to NPHC, different systems.
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Old 10-15-2007, 02:44 PM
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We're mainly discussing NPC/IFC. It doesn't really apply to NPHC, different systems.
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