Bid mismatch / computer error? - Page 2

ZTA72 · #1 09-07-2007, 08:31 PM

Hahahaha
I'm thinking that the LSAT was easier that figuring all of this out!!

ZTA72

AOII Angel · #2 09-08-2007, 10:10 AM

This is actually a good method of matching that is used for other fields as well. Every year 4th year medical students have a match to see which residency they will go to for the remainder of their training. Interviews are throughout the fall and winter. Students make a list like PNMs and programs have a numerical list of potential residents. If your program takes 10 people, than the first 10 on the list are in no particular order because they are essentially your first bid list. The remaining students are listed according to the order in which you like them. PNMs...er, students still get their hearts broken at times, but things tend to work out for the best. We even have "Match Day" where matches are revealed...it often gets televised as well. Crying moms and proud dads attend, so it's very similar to bid day at Alabama or Auburn.

Titchou · #3 09-08-2007, 01:05 PM

Yes, the UAB medical school always has a picture in the paper of that little event...most happy but some not so happy~

Titchou · #4 09-08-2007, 09:15 AM

The reason the first list was required to be in alpha order came from the days of hand bid matching. It jut made it easier to find the women on the list! Anyone who has done hand bid matching can tell you by the time everyone is pretty much on their second list, it goes slowly because everyone has to go up and down that one several times to make sure whether the woman is on it or not. Most places do comupterized matching now and it really doesn't matter what order the lists are in now but most just keep on doing the old way.

FSUZeta · #5 09-08-2007, 10:08 AM

i will be hand bid matching on sunday-thank heavens , at present, there are only two chapters on campus so it does not take very long. we make a party of it, with some of us bringing bagels, donuts, juice or coffee. sort of a "thank the good Lord we survived another recruitment" party.

next year we will have a third, so i'm thinking "bigger party"!

NutBrnHair · #6 09-08-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FSUZeta

i will be hand bid matching on sunday-thank heavens , at present, there are only two chapters on campus so it does not take very long. we make a party of it, with some of us bringing bagels, donuts, juice or coffee. sort of a "thank the good Lord we survived another recruitment" party.

next year we will have a third, so i'm thinking "bigger party"!

I always enjoyed hand bid matching -- you really get to see how well you did. When I was an advisor to my collegiate chapter, the Phi Mu advisor had been in school with me. We were friendly rivals then...and later as advisors!

PenguinTrax · #7 09-07-2007, 08:59 AM

If there is a true error, a complaint could be made to Panhellenic and ask if a hand-match could be done.

This could be a case where a DEF member says to the girl "I don't know why were aren't a DEF, you were #1 on our list!". Which, unless the DEF member was the Recruitment Chairwoman or the Recruitment Advisor, a general initiated member would have NO CLUE who was on the bid list and what place.

altered · #8 09-07-2007, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

If there is a true error, a complaint could be made to Panhellenic and ask if a hand-match could be done.

This could be a case where a DEF member says to the girl "I don't know why were aren't a DEF, you were #1 on our list!". Which, unless the DEF member was the Recruitment Chairwoman or the Recruitment Advisor, a general initiated member would have NO CLUE who was on the bid list and what place.

Is there a rule prohibiting Panhellenic from going back and hand matching this girl? Bids have already been given out, but she has not signed the actual bid that will be sent to Nationals.

PenguinTrax · #9 09-07-2007, 12:14 PM

There is no rule prohibiting it, but if a Panhellenic had to do a hand rematch every time someone didn't get the bid they were expecting, that's all they would do all year. From what I'm hearing, it sounds like this girl got a bid from her #3 choice and is unhappy. Unless there are a large number of women complaining (including the sorority chapters), my guess is that there may have been a crosscut situation, for example:

Sally PNM's pref card:
ABC =1
DEF = 2
GHI = 3

ABC's bid list:
Sally appears low on their #2 list
ABC fills to quota before Sally's name comes up.

DEF's bid list:
Sally appears low on their #2 list
DEF fills to quota before Sally's name comes up.

GHI's bid list:
Sally is on their first list. Sally's bid is from GHI.

Alphafrog already explained this above, btw.

She has two choices - accept the bid and give the chapter a FAIR shot. If she is still unhappy, she can leave the chapter before initiation and try recruitment next year OR she can decline the bid and be eligible for recruitment next year.

FWIW, if I had declined my not #1 bid, I wouldn't be here today, a proud alumna of 25 years membership in my Fraternity.

NutBrnHair · #10 09-07-2007, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinTrax

FWIW, if I had declined my not #1 bid, I wouldn't be here today, a proud alumna of 25 years membership in my Fraternity.

Maybe you need to do a retro recruitment thread!?!

AlphaFrog · #11 09-07-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NutBrnHair

Maybe you need to do a retro recruitment thread!?!

(Nothing against you, PT - the summer of the Retro is OVER and let's not go there again)

PenguinTrax · #12 09-07-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

(Nothing against you, PT - the summer of the Retro is OVER and let's not go there again)

No worries, dear AF!

violetpretty · #13 09-07-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by altered

A girl prefs at three houses. She ranks all of the houses she attends to maximize her options. She ranks the houses: ABC, DEF, and XYZ. Let's say she isn't high enough to make ABC's quota, but she is the #1 at DEF. Is it still possible for her to get XYZ, her third choice, even though she is on the first list at her second choice?

In this scenario, the PNM would match to DEF. I am not sure if you are the PNM who got XYZ or you are DEF wondering why this PNM didn't match with your chapter. Only PHA will know the decisions of both parties, and they won't share it. The PNM will not know where she was on DEF's list. A member of DEF would not know, and I don't think any self-respecting membership chair or advisor would reveal that information. Likewise, DEF will not know how the PNM ranked them, unless she tells them.

I am wondering how you think you know there has been an error.

Titchou · #14 09-13-2007, 06:04 PM

With the new release figure method, a quota range is calculated. They can actually run the numbers using different figures for quota to find which places the maximum number of women...and that is the goal.

AOII Angel · #15 09-13-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Titchou

With the new release figure method, a quota range is calculated. They can actually run the numbers using different figures for quota to find which places the maximum number of women...and that is the goal.

I stand corrected. I didn't know that about the new release figures. I wonder if her campus uses them?