Is it time to change who we think of as legacies? - Page 2

AOIIalum · #16 07-26-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What groups include more than daughters, sisters, and grand-daughters?

We do.

UGAalum94 · #17 07-26-2007, 09:18 PM

I like the level of detail and explanation in that policy. It explains exactly what can be expected.

AU_ZTA86 · #18 07-26-2007, 09:21 PM

Just curious - how many groups have a national policy regarding the rules with regarding legacy PNM's? I know we do.

ErinIsBadNews · #19 07-26-2007, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What groups include more than daughters, sisters, and grand-daughters?

"Phi Mu defines a legacy as a sister, half-sister, step-sister, daughter, step-daughter, granddaughter or great-granddaughter of a Phi Mu (living or deceased)."

I didn't realize we counted great-granddaughters! Have we always?

honeychile · #20 07-26-2007, 09:24 PM

I think this issue should be discussed at the next NPC meeting following most R. NPC can't decide the policy for each and every GLO, but there needs to be a round-table discussion concerning the legacy situation.

Should Patty PNM, whose mother hasn't been involved in 20 years be given the same consideration as Pammy PNM, whose mother is Chapter Advisor? Maybe. Maybe Patty's mother was Homecoming Queen, Chapter President, joined the Peace Corps and found a cure for cancer. Maybe Pammy's mother hadn't been involved until she woke up four years before and realized, "Omigosh! Pammy's going to be going thru R in four years!" and immediately bulldozes her way into the nearest Alumnae Association. THIS is where a rec should be working.

We could probably make a list of questions which could be discussed. And that would be my suggestion.

DeltaBetaBaby · #21 07-26-2007, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AOIIalum

We do.

Actually, I include everything listed to be a sister, daughter, or granddaughter. I should have been clearer, but in my own life, I don't differentiate between blood and legal relations, and I don't think our groups should either.

I am more surprised by nieces, cousins, that sort of thing.

(and good catch, Erin, on the great-granddaughters...there just can't be all that many of those)

AZ-AlphaXi · #22 07-26-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What groups include more than daughters, sisters, and grand-daughters?

Alpha Xi Delta includes nieces and step-relatives ... providing the Alpha Xi requests it.

MSKKG · #23 07-26-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Also, Chi Omega's policy of not including grandmothers is interesting, because your mom was a legacy, and she either continued the tradition or didn't. If sh did, you are a legacy through your mom, and if she didn't, then maybe Chi Omega isn't that important to your family.

Not always the case. If your mom went to a university with no Chi O chapter, that doesn't mean Chi O wasn't important to her family. If your mom didn't pledge any GLO for whatever reason, that still doesn't mean Chi O wasn't important to her family. Also, what if Chi O released her? Chi O might have been high on your mom's list, but she was never given the chance to become a member because of the chapter's choice.

ErinIsBadNews · #24 07-26-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

(and good catch, Erin, on the great-granddaughters...there just can't be all that many of those)

Most people probably don't realize we count them as legacies. Shoot. I'm a Phi Mu and didn't know we considered great-granddaughters legacies.

ZTA72 · #25 07-26-2007, 10:40 PM

My daughters were legacies to ZTA, Sigma Kappa, PiPhi, and had recs to Phi MU, Kappa Gamma, and Tri Delta....at a large southern school, and they chose a totally different way...

Would I like to have them go Zeta...of course, but they have to do what is important to them. They couldn't be happier.

ZTA72

Drolefille · #26 07-26-2007, 11:50 PM

Sigma Kappa includes neices as well as specifically including step-____s

ΣΣΣMagan · #27 07-26-2007, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ZTA72

My daughters were legacies to ZTA, Sigma Kappa, PiPhi, and had recs to Phi MU, Kappa Gamma, and Tri Delta....at a large southern school, and they chose a totally different way...

Would I like to have them go Zeta...of course, but they have to do what is important to them. They couldn't be happier.

ZTA72

So which way did your daughters go?

SoCalGirl · #28 07-27-2007, 01:46 AM

Here's a link to our Legacy Policy on the public portion of the site. http://www.sigmakappa.org/join/defau...t&page2=legacy The Private Side has a more detailed description of everything in the VPR Handbook.

I find it interesting, especially since I never thought twice about it before, that SK includes step-nieces. Does anyone else?

I also was interested by the fact that AOII listed adopted relations. I wouldn't think to not automatically include adopted relations so I was surprised that it needed to be specified.

One of my chapter sisters was adopted along with her identical twin sister. They went to different schools and her sister went ZTA. It never occured to me that their younger sister, bio-daughter of their parents, could possibly not be considered a legacy to both groups.

Buttonz · #29 07-27-2007, 03:05 AM

I would never think that an adopted sibling/daughter/grand daughter etc wouldn't be considered a legacy. IMO, thats just wrong, they are as much family as a biological sibling/daughter/grand daughter etc. What if someone can't have kids? Then the kids that they adopt aren't legacies?

adpiucf · #30 07-27-2007, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by honeychile

I think this issue should be discussed at the next NPC meeting following most R. NPC can't decide the policy for each and every GLO, but there needs to be a round-table discussion concerning the legacy situation.

Should Patty PNM, whose mother hasn't been involved in 20 years be given the same consideration as Pammy PNM, whose mother is Chapter Advisor? Maybe. Maybe Patty's mother was Homecoming Queen, Chapter President, joined the Peace Corps and found a cure for cancer. Maybe Pammy's mother hadn't been involved until she woke up four years before and realized, "Omigosh! Pammy's going to be going thru R in four years!" and immediately bulldozes her way into the nearest Alumnae Association. THIS is where a rec should be working.

We could probably make a list of questions which could be discussed. And that would be my suggestion.

I don't know. I admire the idea, but it lends itself to being too subjective in actual execution. And creates a lot of unnecessary work.

And again, the PNM wonders-- did I just get in because of my mom's involvement or did they actually want me?

I think a chapter is going to be pressured not to drop the great-great-granddaughter of a Founder or the sorority National Treasurer's neice, but for the most part.... I don't see why legacies need to be guaranteed a free pass. They get an extra look, but if they're not a fit, it isn't doing them or the sorority any favors to admit them to a new member class.