Mom, 20, giving birth to third set of twins

[nikki1920]

Originally Posted by mulattogyrl

Indeed it is controversial, but why would someone think it's a good idea to have more children if they can't afford the ones they already have? There has to be a better way for our government, or some power that be, to handle this. I do know in some states, if you have another child while on cash assistance within a certain time frame, they will not add on that next child to your welfare check. At least that's a step in the right direction, although that child still is entitled to Food Stamps (they're two different programs).

You are correct. If you have a child (birth or adoption) after receiving a check for 10 months, that child (and future children) will not be added to your case. More babies doesn't equal more money. That's a welfare reform change effective August 22, 1996 (can ya tell I work for social services?).


I hate seeing my clients come in pregnant AGAIN, with baby #3,4,5 or higher. I'm struggling with my one, and have help from her dad. sheesh..

A box of 12 rubbers is $3.75 at wal mart and are free at the health department. sheesh.

[OneTimeSBX]

^^^AMEN TO THAT NIKKI!

there is a huge difference between those families on Discovery who have 17 kids, and the one who lives on 100% state support. the biggest difference? it always seems to me that the families on Discovery always planned for 17 kids, i.e Dad has a super paying job, they buy/build a huge house, they are skilled at organizing and budgeting, and they stop when they reach the desired number...

...these girls now? they breathe in too hard and pop out kids. they arent planned for, who has more than 3 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment if they can help it? who wants to go on state assistance if they can help it? it has got to be a miserable feeling...

[darling1]

now that family is such the exception!! ive seen their story a few times on discovery and i am always amazed at how she and her husband do it.

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

^^^AMEN TO THAT NIKKI!

there is a huge difference between those families on Discovery who have 17 kids, and the one who lives on 100% state support. the biggest difference? it always seems to me that the families on Discovery always planned for 17 kids, i.e Dad has a super paying job, they buy/build a huge house, they are skilled at organizing and budgeting, and they stop when they reach the desired number...

...these girls now? they breathe in too hard and pop out kids. they arent planned for, who has more than 3 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment if they can help it? who wants to go on state assistance if they can help it? it has got to be a miserable feeling...

[darling1]

can u repeat this please!!!! lol

Originally Posted by nikki1920

You are correct. If you have a child (birth or adoption) after receiving a check for 10 months, that child (and future children) will not be added to your case. More babies doesn't equal more money. That's a welfare reform change effective August 22, 1996 (can ya tell I work for social services?).


I hate seeing my clients come in pregnant AGAIN, with baby #3,4,5 or higher. I'm struggling with my one, and have help from her dad. sheesh..

A box of 12 rubbers is $3.75 at wal mart and are free at the health department. sheesh.

[honeychile]

Originally Posted by REE1993

FYI doctors will RARELY perform a tubal ligation on a 20-year old unless there is a very strong medical reason.

What would be the strong medical reason - cancer? Multiple sclerosis? Insanity?

I ask because of someone I know who has an 18 year old gorgeous daughter whose parents have been told that she will never been capable of living alone. She will always be either under her parents' or the state's care. She is incapable of saying no - yet to look at her, you'd never know that she was mentally handicapped.

Originally Posted by OneTimeSBX

^^^AMEN TO THAT NIKKI!

there is a huge difference between those families on Discovery who have 17 kids, and the one who lives on 100% state support. the biggest difference? it always seems to me that the families on Discovery always planned for 17 kids, i.e Dad has a super paying job, they buy/build a huge house, they are skilled at organizing and budgeting, and they stop when they reach the desired number...

...these girls now? they breathe in too hard and pop out kids. they arent planned for, who has more than 3 kids in a 2 bedroom apartment if they can help it? who wants to go on state assistance if they can help it? it has got to be a miserable feeling...

IMHO, comparing this unmarried, unemployed, incapable of keeping her knees together child to the not the norm, but stable in their own way, Duggars is comparing apples to oranges.


BTW, my gggrandparents had 3 sets of twins, along with 9 other children. Of the ones who lived, all but two went to college, and either law or medical school. Of course, that was 100 years ago, so it was fairly normal then.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally Posted by REE1993

LOL @ "latest set".

This may stir up some controversy, but I think that China might be onto something in terms of population control. At least. as far as public support/welfare goes.

Now is a bad time to look to China. They are paying people to have kids right now. lol

But in regards to this story...all I can say is wow And ask what a previous poster did and that is why is the man not working?

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Jill1228

"I've always taken care of kids since I was little, I think that's where I got it.

I've always gone shopping since I was little. That doesn't mean I own Saks.

[lyrelyre]

Originally Posted by Jill1228

But here, young mom Amanda Gonzales cares for four-year-old Natalie, three-year-old twins Adam and Sebastian and two-year-old twins Rachel and Raquel.

Is it bad that after working in the child welfare system for a year, I'm actually impressed that she managed to go over a year before getting pregnant the fourth time?

[susan314]

This story repulses me on so many levels.

You know...this latest set of twins is being delivered via c-section...it would be reallllllly easy for the doctor to do a tubal ligation at the same time. (hint, hint)

Why in the world is a 21 year old male who is about to become a father (presumably for the first time - I get the impression that her other kids aren't his) NOT EMPLOYED? Jebus - go mop floors somewhere, work at Mickey D's, whatever it takes for crying out loud. (It ain't gonna affect baby momma's welfare check...after all, you two aren't married anyhow )

Also...sorry, but "Rachel and Raquel"? That's almost as bad as my former co-worker's sister who gave birth to triplets named Anthony, Antoine, and Antonio.

[susan314]

P.S. Comment from a random blog about Ms. Gonzalez...

"When is a womb not a womb? When it belongs to Amanda Gonzales, and then it's a Pez dispenser."

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by susan314

This story repulses me on so many levels.

You know...this latest set of twins is being delivered via c-section...it would be reallllllly easy for the doctor to do a tubal ligation at the same time. (hint, hint)

I'm sorry that is disgusting. That is Incredibly disgusting.

[f8nacn]

Wow...don't know what else to say on this one.

[Drolefille]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6670217.stm

"When I was 13, I was raped. I had my beautiful son and when they cut me open, I had a caesarean, they sterilised me at the same time," she said.

"I didn't know anything about it until I was 19. I got married and tried to have a child. The doctor told me I had been butchered."

It sounds like a story from the dark ages but this happened less than 40 years ago. And it happened in the US.

Policies were drawn up in over 30 states in the US to sterilise women, men and children who were considered to be physically, mentally or morally 'defective'.

But in reality the majority of those who were sterilised were simply poor women.

[susan314]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm sorry that is disgusting. That is Incredibly disgusting.

Note - in case I wasn't clear the first time, I didn't mean that the doctor should do a tubal without her consent. (given that it would be illegal and unethical for a physician to do)

I've had 2 c-sections, and its easy for the doctor to do while he's in there with minimal additional expense (since he's already in the general area anyhow) - hopefully her doctor encouraged her to consider that option. (I know that my doctor told me during my 2nd pregnancy that if I was ever planning to have a tubal, it would be easy for him to do during my scheduled c-section.)

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by susan314

I've had 2 c-sections, and its easy for the doctor to do while he's in there with minimal additional expense (since he's already in the general area anyhow) - hopefully her doctor encouraged her to consider that option. (I know that my doctor told me during my 2nd pregnancy that if I was ever planning to have a tubal, it would be easy for him to do during my scheduled c-section.)

Actually, I've heard this too. Someone I know got hers done that way.