At Least We're Not at the top...

[EM1843]

Also the article does not specifiy what the arrests were for. How many of them were for underage drinking or public urination versus a violent offense such as assault?

[john1082]

Some sort of regional structure might not be a bad idea.

There is a standing committee on the Constitution & Stat Code. They are looking at many things from discipline to organization to you name it. This effort requires those committee members to read and review the governing documents of other fraternities. There are some fraternities that do have a regional structure using volunteers. Some function as super advisors while others have judicial authority, budget approval tasks and the like.

The C&SC committee might discuss a regional scheme, but I think that it is too early to look for it in '08. Plenty of other things need to be looked at and revised before the Fraternity stirkes out into the uncharted territory of a regional structure with authority*


* I say authority to differentiate the concept from the regional conclaves that we used to have which entailed a drunken weekend at the host Zeta's house and obnoxious conduct with respect to sorority girls that we knew we'd never see again!

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Ok, so what do we do? Responsibility should be at the top of the organization, or at the very least HQ in general.

Tom, I'm not talking about any of my experiences or anyone else's, I'm talking about article after article after article that has been posted on these forums over the last several months. Mostly negative.

Ultimate responsibility falls on the HQ, they're the ones that monitor the chapters, cut the checks and have ultimate authority.

Maybe having a centralized HQ isn't working so well. Maybe we should divide HQ into regions, better suited to handle each areas needs, keep closer tabs on the chapter? After all, we are an INTERnational fraternity. Why have one building in the middle of Indiana?

[LCA Pi Iota 026]

It seems that it the article is a bit negative but not towards Lambda Chi...if nothing else it looks bad on Pi Kappa Phi...it doesnt seem that it is a problem with nationals it just seems as if it falls on the active brothers..and the brothers before me were correct in the fact there needs to be inquiries as to why the police seem to be targeting greeks....

[Ottor 246]

<<NOTE: I think I read on GC, some time ago, that Indy was chosen as our HQ city because it was easily accessible by train to the greatest number of our chapters. With the communications tools we have at our disposal today, it shouln't matter if IHQ were on the moon. Answers that used to take weeks to get can now be back to us in minutes.>>

I agree with John G. that there are indications that there could be a problem here. So where are the UGA alumni, and why aren't they checking on it?

I have a general wariness of centralized government, and lean more toward the side of volunteer involvement and personal responsibility. Saying, "Why doesn't IHQ do something?" while you watch a chapter go down the tubes is (to me, anyway) the same as watching some street thug beat up an old lady and asking, "Where are the police?" You're already there...do something!

Regardless of how we structure our headquarters, common sense tells me it will never have the resources to monitor our chapters that closely. And they shouldn't. IHQ is not your mom. Recognize your problems, make a plan and FIX THEM.

Remember - the oath you took when you joined Lambda Chi does not expire when you get your degree. If you've got a brother with a problem, don't ask why somebody doesn't do something...step up and help him.

The sermon has ended. Go in peace.

[EM1843]

AMEN! HALELUJA!

[JoinerLxa]

I don't see any problem with posting "bad news" here. After all, the information
is readily available, and not mentioning it here makes it look like we're
"sweeping it under the rug"....something fraternities are known for doing
anyway.

An 18-yo rushee might even be impressed that a bunch of old geezers
(you're old if you're over 25yo) would even CARE what the frat boys are
doing. Unfortunately, others may say "Phi K Phi had the most arrests...
they must have the most fun...I'm going there!"

I would only have two suggestions:
- post more GOOD NEWS (like the brother rescuing the baby from the fire)
- keep the discussion civil, no need to make personal attacks. I know, this
is how American society is today (especially in politics), but some of us
still have hope that one day we'll return to the days when those who
disagree passionately can still be the best of friends, even fraternity
brothers.

Oh, and I think HQ is in Indy because the state of IN passed laws (tax,
incorporation, etc) favorable to national fraternity HQ's...thus about
half of them are there

RX this weekend! I can't wait!

[john1082]

See new thread

[Tom Earp]

[QUOTE=john1082;1404378]Some sort of regional structure might not be a bad idea.

There is a standing committee on the Constitution & Stat Code. They are looking at many things from discipline to organization to you name it. This effort requires those committee members to read and review the governing documents of other fraternities. There are some fraternities that do have a regional structure using volunteers. Some function as super advisors while others have judicial authority, budget approval tasks and the like.

The C&SC committee might discuss a regional scheme, but I think that it is too early to look for it in '08. Plenty of other things need to be looked at and revised before the Fraternity stirkes out into the uncharted territory of a regional structure with authority*

John, I was not sure which to copy on this yours or GammaZeta.

Centralization does give a central point of reference such as IHQ at Indy. This is the center of coordination for things like The Paedagogus, C & C, Directory, or anything else that comes under the umbrella of running a multi Million Dollar Business. Check any International GLO or National GLO and see if they have a central office. Placing Regional Offices becomes unweilding and over burdensome with office staff and that cost money!

We as an Iternational have one of the best set ups for coverage of any GLOs. It is called the ELCs. They are the Regional arms of IHQ.

Most GLOs have volunteers from Alums who are Regional Managers and cover a very small area so to speak. Say one state only or just a few Chapters. Fine, or if the Eastern or Western areas have a lot of Chapters it will take more volunteers.

Maybe if We had all of the money in the world, we could have a hell of a lot of toys in the chest. Being a Greek of a certain Organization is a BUSINESS, not only at the National Level, but at the LOCAL Level. Local Budgets are smaller than HQs, but it is all the same! $$$$ !

[GammaZeta]

Ottor, were you talking to me in your last post?

Can HQ fix all problems? No. But there is a point where it becomes apparent that something is not being done and it is getting out of hand.

Should HQ fix all problems? Yes. Whether it's fair or not, ultimate authority AND responsibility rests at HQ.

[Ottor 246]

GammaZeta,

I was writing to everyone, but yes, I was responding to your post.

[GammaZeta]

"Saying, "Why doesn't IHQ do something?" while you watch a chapter go down the tubes is (to me, anyway) the same as watching some street thug beat up an old lady and asking, "Where are the police?" You're already there...do something!"

Ottor, I'm not exactly sure what I should be doing to prevent a chapter 1,000's of miles away from committing crimes. I'm fairly sure that if I call them up, they'll just hang up on me if I say "Hey guys, quit it!"

Traveling is out of the question.

However, I DO KNOW who can change them. HQ! They have authority to do so, to step in and give orders.

So by speaking up, HOPING to get HQ's attention on this matter and saying something, does help a little.

Also, if we follow your logic, then what time should me, you, Tom, John, Doc, PiL, Em, Joiner, LXAAlum and every other living member of LXA meet up to have an intervention at the chapter?

Friday's good for me.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

Ottor, were you talking to me in your last post?

Can HQ fix all problems? No. But there is a point where it becomes apparent that something is not being done and it is getting out of hand.

Should HQ fix all problems? Yes. Whether it's fair or not, ultimate authority AND responsibility rests at HQ.

Thank you GammaZeta, maybe you have figured it all out!

NO, IHQ is not the total answer, IHQ is a central point for LXA and that only as I stated.

IHQ can only point out problems and have ELCs visit!

They give reports back to IHQ. If some continue to complain about the efficienty of IHQ, it does no good! Not because it is just you, but, they have a lot on their plate when Members and Chapters continually keep not following the Rules. The Rules that are voted on by Members/Brothers to enact.

We have one of the best Opperations from IHQ as anyone!

Just embrasse it and work within the structure!

Do what has been disscussed. Okay!

[OleMissGlitter]

Originally Posted by PiLambda1

Of students arrested in '06, 1-in-3 were Greek members


ARRESTS UNDERGRADS PERCENT

651 students 25,437 2.6

219 Greek members 5,416 4.0

454 male students 10,876 4.2

147 fraternity members 2,065 7.1

197 female students 14,248 1.4

72 sorority members 3,351 2.1

2006 ARRESTS BY FRATERNITY

Pi Kappa Phi: 17

Theta Chi: 12

Delta Tau Delta, Kappa Sigma, Lambda Chi Alpha: 11 each

Chi Phi, Kappa Alpha, Sigma Alpha Epsilon: 9 each

Beta Theta Pi: 7

Sigma Chi, Sigma Pi, Sigma Phi Epsilon, Alpha Kappa Lambda, Pi Kappa Alpha: 5 each

Sigma Nu, Phi Gamma Delta: 4 each

Alpha Tau Omega, Delta Sigma Phi: 3 each

Alpha Epsilon Pi: 2

Phi Delta Theta, Kappa Alpha Psi, Delta Chi, Chi Psi, Tau Kappa Epsilon, Alpha Gamma Rho, Alpha Phi Alpha: 1 each

2006 ARRESTS BY SORORITY

Kappa Kappa Gamma: 9

Delta Zeta: 8

Kappa Alpha Theta: 6

Delta Delta Delta, Alpha Omicron Pi, Zeta Tau Alpha, Phi Mu, Kappa Delta: 5 each

Alpha Gamma Delta, Chi Omega , Sigma Delta Tau: 4 each

Gamma Phi Beta, Sigma Kappa: 3 each

Delta Gamma, Pi Beta Phi, Alpha Chi Omega: 2 each

Sources: UGA police reports, Greek Life Office membership lists from 2005-06 and 2006-07 school years

Okay so maybe I'm just out of it, but I've never heard of a university doing this before in my life. Why in the world would it matter what chapters they belong to? Did they do one for other groups on campus like Student Gov't, Baptist Student Union, Habitat, Choir, etc? I think someone has WAY too much time on their hands if they sit around looking up which organization a student belongs to.

[GammaZeta]

Tom, you have to think of it like this.

An outfielder in baseball should catch 100% of the balls hit to him. That is why he is paid millions to play the position.

In reality, an outfielder does not catch 100% of the balls hit to him. Maybe it's the sun, not fast enough or a bad bounce. Something out of his control. Most of those are forgiveable.

But what happens when he starts dropping pop flys? Not putting in the effort to run to the warning track? Maybe bobbles the ball costing the team a run.

You can't blame the catcher. You can't blame the pitcher. You can't blame the hitter, the fans, the owner, the heckler, the umpire, the media, the people on the street, the hot dog vendors, the teammates, the coach, the bullpen.

You blame the outfielder. Why? Because it is the outfielders job to catch 100% of the balls. Reasonable or not.

Now there is some leeway. Maybe 900 out of every 1,000 balls hit to him are caught. Maybe the league average is 850 out of every 1,000.

But what happens when he starts catching 750 out of every 1,000? Or how about 500 out of every 1,000. How about 250 out of every 1,000? Sure, not everyone may be totally in his control, but when do you say enough is enough and pull him?

What I'm saying is, our outfield seems to be dropping a lot of balls. I'll give him a few for the sun in the eyes or a strange gust of wind, but other than that, I want to make sure our outfielder is hustling and running as fast as he can to every single ball hit to the outfield.

[Trey_P-I_47]

Let us all bow our heads to the awesome most powerful keeper of knowledge and truth.......GAMMA ZETA........may GAMMA ZETA have mercy on our souls