Sigma Chi Badge $3,050.01

[EM1843]

Gamma, I understand your argument and I agree. However, most people want something tangible for their money. That is why chapters have plaqes with donors names on them.

[Tom Earp]

History is just that, history.

If we did not care about history then why strive so hard to find Warren A. Coles burial place?

As docroc stated it is there to do and find and keep. Well, kind of.

Keeping History whether it be a small peice of metal as you say GammaZeta it is History, mine, yours or ours. Ergo, the great quest to find Warren Coles burial place.

Do you still have your Badge? Do you want to keep it and why? Does it mean anything to you? If so, why?

The articles that Mike Raymond writes about History are the first one I read when our C & C comes out.

As some sage once wrote, if you do not watch History, then one is apt to make the same mistakes! Well in my words of course!

History is 1 second ago, the future is now and forever!

[GammaZeta]

No Tom, you are wrong.

There is a vast difference between the burial place of our founder and a generic pin.

Please tell me exactly what a pin has to offer to "history" that we already don't know? It's not like we don't know our symbols. It's not like we don't know what they mean. It's not like we don't know what our CoA is. And anyways, we have a PICTURE of it.

Here's what I'm trying to say.

To blow $3,000 dollars on a shiny old pin is one thing.

To blow $3,000 dollars on a shiny old pin in the name of "preserving" history and to "better" LXA is a completely different argument.

[Tom Earp]

While that may true in your perception, others feel differently and that is our or their decission!

You still did not answer My question, do you still have your Badge and why?

[GammaZeta]

No Tom, I do not have my badge. It never mattered to me, it was just a cheap plastic manufactured pin. I DO have the stuff with REAL history though. My brick, photos, certificate, stuff that cannot be manufactured.

Now Tom, no one has explained to me exactly what contribution to our history does a small metal pin make???

If someone could possibly explain to me how buying an old pin for $3,000 TRULY benefits our "history", rather than helping a brother out with a scholarship.

Tell me what secrets it would reveal. What part of our history is missing that the pin could fill in? How does having the pin increase our actual knowledge of the past?

[GammaZeta]

Now Brandon, I would consider what you just said to be a personal insult. If you want to start talking about sacrifices for one's chapter, you WILL lose to me.

Look at what you said: I started MY chapter. It was MY brainchild.

You know what your problem is? I'll tell you.

"I fought for that BADGE, and I'll be damned if I'll *ever* look at it as "just a hunk of metal." That BADGE shows the person standing next to me that I *am*"

I don't need a badge as a prize to fight for. I don't need a badge to let other people know I am a Lambda Chi Alpha. I don't need a badge as a physical reminder of what I am. I don't need a badge to have others ask me about it. I don't need a badge to spread the good word. I don't need a badge to show I am proud of what I have done.

Why?

Because I LIVE being a Lambda Chi Alpha. People know it by my ACTIONS, and not some cheap piece of metal I wear. Obviously you don't act like a Lambda Chi, or you wouldn't need that badge to remind everyone.

You can have your badge. You can have my badge. You can have 100 badges. You can have a badge worth $10,000 or $100,000.

It doesn't matter. Unlike you, I don't measure being
a Lambda Chi by a badge. Unlike you, I put value into the important aspects of being a brother. Unlike you, I'm there for my brothers, and not off in my room polishing my BADGE.

I've been to 3 funerals in the last 6 months for family members of brothers I barely know. Driven 3-4 hours for the wake after work. Why? Because I would rather show my love for my brothers by my actions. That is what really matters.

It's sad really. You only wanted to be a Lambda Chi to wear the letters? To wear a badge? You can take my badge, because obviously you don't know what it means. You don't know what it is to be a brother.

Were you even awake for ritual? Did you even understand it? I don't care about some cheap plastic badge that there are 1'000's of.

Funny thing. You say the BADGE shows the person next to you that you are a Lambda Chi. I don't need a badge to show people I am a Lambda Chi.

I LIVE Lambda Chi Alpha.

You just WEAR Lambda Chi Alpha.

You can take my hunk of metal right now, and in your eyes I may not deserve it.

But if I could, I would take away your brotherhood and association. In my eyes, you don't deserve it...

[Albert109]

I know I am going to regret getting in the middle of this pissing match, but this is getting rediculous.

First of all, Gamma you're insistance that there's no real reason to buy old pins for thousands of dollars is perfectly valid. However, people collect stamps and prices do go up for rarities (no, I'm not comparing our badge to stamps, but you get the point). Also, I think that personal history (your brick, certificate of Initation, etc.) is more valuable intangibly and couldn't have a dollar sign attached. Up to that point, I can agree; however, past this, I can't see myself thinking likewise. When I do get my first badge (being a recent initiage of fall '06), I can't see myself just dismissing it, saying it never means anything to me. When I'm as old as Earp or so, I hope to still have my first badge on me to remind myself and to remember the days of StLCoP and Pi Lambda Zeta. And if I happened to come along a nice shiny gem of a badge that has historical significance, it'd be nice to get in on the action.

However, your response to Brandon was highly inappropriate. Granted, some things he said were inflammatory and shouldn't have been said, but to lash out and say asinine and rude things is completely antithetical to ZAX.

It's sad really. You only wanted to be a Lambda Chi to wear the letters? To wear a badge? You can take my badge, because obviously you don't know what it means. You don't know what it is to be a brother.

Without even knowing your Brother, you start ripping on him, implying he is just superficial, wanting to wear the letters and badge. True, there are shallow people like that out there, but to just debase someone without knowing them is generally rude.

It doesn't matter. Unlike you, I don't measure being a Lambda Chi by a badge. Unlike you, I put value into the important aspects of being a brother. Unlike you, I'm there for my brothers, and not off in my room polishing my BADGE.

It may be great to tell of your actions of what makes you a better person and a more genuine Lambda Chi than somone you don't know (though it kinda makes comparison hard, but go figure). We shouldn't wear the badge to show off, but rather show where we're from. Also, the snipe about him not being there for his Brothers is not only unbased on fact, but is also false.

I started my chapter. It was my brainchild. I enlisted help and together we built our Zeta from the ground up.

Noone takes the time, effort, and sacrifice to start a chapter just to wear letters. At our beloved St. Louis College of Pharmacy, the campus had 4 or so "professional" pharmaceutical phraternities. But, the second we got on stage, the hate began, and though it has lessened, still exists to a degree. So, our Founders to fight to stay on campus. Which explains:

I fought for that badge, and I'll be damned if I'll *ever* look at it as "just a hunk of metal."

Were you even awake for ritual? Did you even understand it?

No matter how much the first jab was wrong, this is unacceptable. This is just a low blow that was uncalled for.

In ZAX,
Adam

[CPickering]

I too feel compelled to interject this hate war, though I am not entirely sure of what to say.

I guess I should start off with how amazed I am that simply someones opinion on how to prioritize, sparked an incessant debate that really has accomplished nothing good.

GammaZeta, congratulations. You have flexed your nuts and now everyone has renounced their deity of choice and blindly follows you. Accepting your views as their own, without any second thought. If this is not what you wanted, you fooled me.

From your first post, you made your stance perfectly clear. You will not pay a ton of money for a small badge. Great, you're not materialistic.

is it really worth it?

Yes Tom, but is it worth it?

Right Tom, but what is history?

Now, which would benefit the greater good of the fraternity?

Now Tom, no one has explained to me exactly what contribution to our history does a small metal pin make???

There is no need to reiterate your stance every post. We get it. We all get it. And for those who don't understand what your problem is, I posted your ramblings above in a more boiled down and pertinent fashion.

No Tom, you are wrong.

Now don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but when someone repudiates another persons view simply because it does not match their own, that is ludacrous. Especially when the view you are trying to disavow, is the answer to a question with no correct answer! You cannot ask questions like 'is buying a fraternity badge for $3,000 worth it?' 'what is history and how does a little pin preserve it?,' and actually expect to get solid answers. The answer you are looking for are completely relative to the individuals own unique thought process.

If you want to start talking about sacrifices for one's chapter, you WILL lose to me.

Again... all bow to captain ego-trip. Yes, i'm sure you have done great things for you zeta, brothers, friends, family, those you don't care about. But to simply say your contributions to society are greater than someone else's is again burlesque.

I don't need a badge to let other people know I am a Lambda Chi Alpha. I don't need a badge as a physical reminder of what I am. I don't need a badge to have others ask me about it. I don't need a badge to spread the good word. I don't need a badge to show I am proud of what I have done.

It's sad really. You only wanted to be a Lambda Chi to wear the letters? To wear a badge? You can take my badge, because obviously you don't know what it means. You don't know what it is to be a brother.

You are indeed correct on one thing, for certain. It IS Sad. It is very said you will go out of your way to calumniate the actions of others in any sense. Who are you to judge? Oh wait, you are our new god, that's right.

You don't know what it is to be a brother.

Obviously you know what it means to be a brother better than anyone I know (who are you again?). Perhaps teaching us would be more beneficial to your cause.

Were you even awake for ritual?

How dare you. *not a question* (Again, to reiterate, which you seem to be so fond of doing)

I don't quite understand how someone, like yourself, who only goes through the motions of being a true/good person try to strike down those who actually try to put that philosophy into practice. Nobody is perfect, but thankfully we have you to pick apart the smallest most insignificant of blemishes and blow them up out of proportion. What would the world do without you... surely it would perish.

I thank you for your hard work and dedication to your chapter and to the planet. Surely none is 'holier than thou'. None is more selfless. And as far as I'm concerned, that is a fact. I have never heard of anyone pronouncing their selfless acts moreso than you here. Well, now at least we know those acts were not purely selfless. You may have wanted to help, but you wanted the acknowledgement, and satisfaction of helping even more. Thank you for making the America we love so much, truly become a pimple on society's ass. (IMHO)


Cheers,

[lenoxxx]

Seriously this is one of the funniest threads Ive read in a long time!

The "Great Badge Catfight" of 2007!!!!

Lenoxxx

[GammaZeta]

Obvously Brandon, you have proved my point as to how ignorant you truly are to the ways of Lambda Chi Alpha. You just keep proving my point.

Now first of all, little Brandon insulted me and started it. If he wants to question me, he's going to get it right back. And you little goons can come at me all you want. You know I'm right, and that is what makes you guys so damn mad.

Now, obviously I'm the only one out of you three that got anything out of ritual. Does our ritual put the importance on material possession? Does the ritual put shiny objects over the well being of our brothers? Exactly. Now move on. You lost.

If Brandon likes to polish his prized badge all night, that's up to him.

It is clear by his post that he puts material possessions OVER acting like a brother.

Like I said before, Brandon, if you really wanted to just wear the letters or a badge, you could have just bought some off of ebay.

Now that that I called you out on your post, how everything you do revovles aroun 1. you 2. material possessions, you're singing a new tune.

If you want to start something with me, I'm going to finish it. If you don't like the truth then don't read my posts.

Now you boys will thank me later for showing you the light. Hopefully you will take my advice and mend your ways and maybe someday you will become brothers of Lambda Chi Alpha that actually understand what it means. Yes, maybe someday you will acheive the understanding and knowledge that I have of Lambda Chi Alpha. Doubtful, but it is a goal.

To me, it is more important to ACT like a brother than to just DRESS like a brother. Nothing you 3 stooges have said disputes this. That is the part that is truly sad. That these new brothers are only joining Lambda Chi for the rewards, and not the sacrifices that come along with being a brother.

Hopefully you can put pride aside and accept the fact that I am the type of brother that you must strive to become. Even though you have offended me and offered harsh words, I forgive you. I will make it a point that you have my guidance and teaching from now on. I will let you know where you are wrong and set you on the right path. Yes, I will make it my mission to save you 3 fallen brothers.

I understand your frustration on being proved wrong, again. I was once a new brother, new in the ways of LXA. I also understand that it is frustrating to be a new brother and not fully understand what it is to be a brother. Don't let anger get in the way of you accepting what I say.

Lenoxxx: these newbies obviously haven't been around the boards long enough to realize who they're dealing with.

[JonoBN41]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

If Brandon likes to polish his prized badge all night, that's up to him.

If you had said something like this in the first place ("If he wants to spend $3,000 on a Sigma Chi badge, that's up to him"), you could have avoided this sort of confrontation. But you didn't, and from your posts - repeatedly inviting confrontation from day one- it's clear you need a doctor and you need a pharmacist. I sincerely hope you can get some help.

ZAX,
Jono

[CPickering]

Even though you have offended me and offered harsh words, I forgive you. I will make it a point that you have my guidance and teaching from now on. I will let you know where you are wrong and set you on the right path. Yes, I will make it my mission to save you 3 fallen brothers.

Jesus saves...


...Passes to Buddha...

GOAL!!!!!

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by GammaZeta

I don't need a badge as a prize to fight for. I don't need a badge to let other people know I am a Lambda Chi Alpha. I don't need a badge as a physical reminder of what I am. I don't need a badge to have others ask me about it. I don't need a badge to spread the good word. I don't need a badge to show I am proud of what I have done.

Why?

Because I LIVE being a Lambda Chi Alpha. People know it by my ACTIONS, and not some cheap piece of metal I wear. Obviously you don't act like a Lambda Chi, or you wouldn't need that badge to remind everyone.

This is one of the best things I've ever read on GC.

[GammaZeta]

Actually 33girl has a good point. Younger brothers and sisters tend to be a little overzealous.

I too was in the same situation.

Brandon. You have to learn what I say on here doesn't matter. What you say on here doesn't matter. What anyone says on here doesn't matter.

It's an internet chat forum for Christ's sake.

[Ottor 246]

Gamma Zeta and Brandon,

Just look at all the inter-greek cooperation you've fostered! We've got greeks from all sorts of fraternities and sororities dropping by to tell you how stupid you are.

For Pete's sake, guys, this is a public fourm! If we're going to have a family squabble, lets put on the boxing gloves and go to the basement - not the front yard. Brothers have a right to disagree, but for the sake of the rest of your brothers, please don't do it in front of an audience.

The next time a college freshman logs onto GreekChat to find out what Lambda Chi Alpha is all about, I pray to God he doesn't start with this thread.

As one of the brothers from my own chapter would say, "you guys are po-fetic."