KA-UGa: Next to a landfill, it's hard to think of a less desirable neighbor

[sarahanne]

I think that's a great law, but the housing issue isn't going to be the only problem. Both parties are probably going to have a problem adjusting to each other. To me it looks as if it's going to be a massive culture shock, which is not going to be a very good thing.

[Creampuff]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Property values rarely rise without increased demand. Thus, it is unlikely these people will simply get kicked out on their rear, they'd generally have a chance to sell for a higher amount than the current value. You failed to mention this in your "economics" lesson. However, this is likely a moot issue, considering one KA house is not likely to increase property values.

Cream, for someone claiming a Southern pedigree, you have a very limited opinion (and knowledge of, I assume) the Civil War. If you really believe the majority of people fighting for the Confederacy were fighting to the death because of slavery, you're sorely mistaken. Perhaps you should have spent a bit more time on your education at UGA, and less time whining about rich people and slandering fraternities.

First, I don't claim "pedigree". I am neither a dog nor a racehorse. But my family has been here for more than 200 years (probably longer), and I am damn sure NOT proud of the confederacy or the reasons it came into existence.

Second, please stick to the issues at hand. I really don't want to school you on your own history, so don't go there. I have neither the time nor the patience. The issue at hand is whether or not KA will be a good addition to the Handcock-Reese Historical district. It is my personal opinion, and the opinion of the residents, that they will NOT. Be honest, would you want your grandmother or aunt, living next to a fraternity. I wouldn't.

About the property values, in order to get a good price for the property, the owners are still going to need money to improve the properties (old properties at that) to get a decent price. That's still a few thousand dollars, hard to come by when you're on a fixed income.

I'm not trying to argue, I just want you to see maybe where the residents and the community is coming from. I don't think you are bad person or anything, maybe just a little sheltered. That's not a bad thing, but one day you are going to have to realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and your friends comfort.

And thank you for your "concern" about me getting my education, but I think you might need to focus more on your education not be on greek chat all day.

[Creampuff]

Originally Posted by macallan25

Your ignorance about both economics and history astounds me. I'm quite positive that I too have lived in the South for just as long as anybody. I'm also quite positive that I have a major in US History, particularly focusing on frontier expansion through the South and West and The Civil War. If you think that war was fought over slaves and the "glorification of oppression"......I suggest you go stick your nose in a history book in order to un-misinform yourself. I don't know what you mean by people "waving the Confederacy in people's faces".......but I would assume you are referring to the KA's....which is rather idiotic.

As for your economic lesson........One fraternity house isn't going to raise the property value enough to tax poor old Granny right on out into the streets. I would imagine this was all taken into account when choosing a locale. Perhaps, like history, you should retreat back into an ECON1113 classroom. They can help you.

.....but hey, what do I know....i'm just a white boy born with a silver spoon up my butt. I'm also a racist because my founding fathers fought in the Civil War...................for the South.

Ok, you need to calm down. For real. I really don't care what your little degree is in, anyone can pick up a history book for themselves and just as many "facts" as you do. I'm sorry if I don't consider southern revisionist history as real history. And please stick to the subject. I know you can read, did I claim that the Civil War was only about slavery. When I re-read my post I don't see that anywhere, but maybe you can just see more through your little rose colored glasses. I also did not call you racist, you did that to yourself. I don't know you well enough to make that judgement.

The subject is not history, it's current events. I know you probably don't give a damn, but your frat house is going to cause alot of problems for alot of people. If it was your family, I'm sure you would want someone to consider the way they feel about.

[Creampuff]

Originally Posted by Tex1899

As for the elderly, at least in Texas I believe their property taxes are frozen when they reach age 65. My guess is other states have a similar law. If Georgia does, then the elderly need not worry about their property taxes increasing.

Here senior citizens do receive a discount on property taxes, but they are not frozen. I like Texas, it seems as if they are good about looking out for things like that.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by Creampuff

Ok, you need to calm down. For real. I really don't care what your little degree is in, anyone can pick up a history book for themselves and just as many "facts" as you do. I'm sorry if I don't consider southern revisionist history as real history. And please stick to the subject. I know you can read, did I claim that the Civil War was only about slavery. When I re-read my post I don't see that anywhere, but maybe you can just see more through your little rose colored glasses. I also did not call you racist, you did that to yourself. I don't know you well enough to make that judgement.

The subject is not history, it's current events. I know you probably don't give a damn, but your frat house is going to cause alot of problems for alot of people. If it was your family, I'm sure you would want someone to consider the way they feel about.

First, I am not a KA, rather an SAE...I also go to The University of Texas, not Georgia. However, I am very familiar with the area and know several members of the fraternity, as well as others on campus. How do you know it is going to cause a lot of problems, nothing has happened yet?? Furthermore, those people not being able to fix up their run down houses doesn't have anything to do with the KA house....unless you are suggesting that all of the residents are going to want to move after the fraternity house is completed. That is those people's problem, not the fraternity. My family and extended family are all Greek and all rushed very prominant, Southern fraternities and sororities, they have been around greek houses practically forever. If we lived in a neighborood close to campus, they wouldn't have a problem if a beautiful, Southern style mansion was built close to their house......there are plenty of campuses that have fraternity and sorority houses amongst normal residents.

Sorry, I didn't take "Southern Revisionist History" courses. My research of the subject went a little further beyond reading a couple of books and taking courses on my own campus. I was far more concerned with actually knowing the facts, rather than accepting anyone's personal biases on the subject. You stated something along the lines of, "I don't find treason against the US, losing a war, and the glorification of oppression something to be proud of." This shows an extremely limited knowledge of the war and basically echoes the thoughts of those who think the war was fought over slavery. But, if you think you can "school" either me or Shinerbock on our own history...i'd love to see you try.

I realize you didn't call me a racist...but you certainly made dumb statements about KA being notoriously racist and having "racist aspects". I was just playing off of your own words.

[shinerbock]

My history? Please, school me. Oh I would love it. As for property values, lets say the values do rise (I think we can all agree this is unlikely). The value of the property is what will rise, nobody will want whats on the property. This is often the case in run down areas, and nobody would expect the owners to fix up their property, they'd likely clear the ground and build condo's or something.

I spend time on greekchat when I get bored here at UGA law, so i really don't think its a problem