Gone too far...

[tld221]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

I'm thinking he's mad becuase it was with the Alphas and akas. He pretty much said he condoned the a-k-a-psi thing and the a-phi-a-k-a, which are still joining letters, but not all three. I think that is wack, I'm with the person who said themes, like pretty boy/girl crimson/kream etc. I've heard some creative ones too. But letters BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ok, for the ppl who made that flyer, here are some i've heard, tell them to use this next time:

Pretty cold -- alphas/kappas, [which could also be used in this instance]
pretty nasty -- kappas/ques and
cold blue [as in code blue] - sigmas/alphas

hmm, ok, i see that.

yeah, i lean more towards "nay" on the combined theme thing... at the end of the day the party is going to be an "ABC/XYZ" party.

p.s. why did this kappa tell me about how *some* Kappas and Zetas threw a "Pretty Kitty" party?

[mulattogyrl]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I see nothing wrong with it except the color clash when put together. Using black, green and red would've looked better and even carried a dual symbolism.

AFAKAY

Hmmm. That's actually a little hot.

[Divalawgirl]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I see nothing wrong with it except the color clash when put together. Using black, green and red would've looked better and even carried a dual symbolism.

AFAKAY

I'm with you Ladygreek. I'm really not seeing the big deal. Who has claims on colors? I think the flyer creator was being more creative than controversial.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

well it happens...A LOT!! I've seen SEVERAL "pretty nasty" parties with the Kappas and Ques. what is so terrible about that?

If I went Yo-Phi!!! I think all greeks would look at me like.
It's the same principle.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I see nothing wrong with it except the color clash when put together. Using black, green and red would've looked better and even carried a dual symbolism.

AFAKAY

Wow. I don't care what colors u use it's wrong. Connecting letters in that way is wrong!!!

maybe this
AFA AKA KAY

But I don't want my letters clipped and merged with no one elses. Kappa Alpha Psi has and always will be good enough to stand for itself.

[DST_philoso4]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

If I went Yo-Phi!!! I think all greeks would look at me like.
It's the same principle.

If you went yo-skee or yo-oop u'd get the same look [at least where I'm from]!! I don't think it's the same principle at all, maybe some similarities, but not the same! Pretty and nasty are both very common words, and the phrase is a common one used by greeks and non greeks alike. So it's catchy and creative, and "represents" both orgs. Yo [well, at least since after 1990] and Phi are very UNCOMMON words, and specific to each org. While pretty and nasty are words that mostly EVERYONE uses, yo and phi are not, and to say yo-phi would in essesnce be using, in part, something that is exclusively linked to another frat, which is NOT wha'ts up [in terms of calls at least], where as "pretty nasty/cold/hot/luke warm" etc. are not. In addition, if you had a joint "theme" party, everyone wouldn't be running around the party chanting or even SAYING "pretty nasty" anyway, versus people actually SAYING yo-phi!

See the difference?

Originally Posted by marquise1911

If I went Yo-Phi!!! I think all greeks would look at me like.
It's the same principle.

As an after thought, the real issue here seems to be you having a problem doing joint programs with other frats, even if it had nothing to do with themes letters or otherwise. I mean, if that's your preference, to each his own, but I think occassional joint programs are cool, you reach a wider audience, you'll bring people from both [or more] orgs, and probably attract people who may not come to either event individually. I know a lot of people who went to the 1911/pretty nasty party, on the premise of it being more crowded because it's the two groups on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of stereotypes coming together. And, obviously, older members of our orgs felt the same way, which is why NPHC was created [promote solidarity].

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Wow. I don't care what colors u use it's wrong. Connecting letters in that way is wrong!!!

maybe this
AFA AKA KAY

But I don't want my letters clipped and merged with no one elses. Kappa Alpha Psi has and always will be good enough to stand for itself.

but you said earlier in this thread: [verbatim]

"I just don't like how the letters are strung together. That's some mess. I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi, but to put both of them together.

I mean if I was gonna be part in a threesome, I would hope two chicks were involved."

based on that statement I don't see anything that would lead me to believe you have a problem with the whole joining letters [including K A Psi], but maybe I misread. I don't think any of the ppl involved with that flyer feel as though their orgs can't stand on their own, I mean, to me, that's creativity and unity gone awry, but hey!

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

If you went yo-skee or yo-oop u'd get the same look [at least where I'm from]!!

Now see, where I'm from, I think it is more acceptable to combine a frat-sorority, than two frats. It's done to represent love / respect between the groups.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

As an after thought, the real issue here seems to be you having a problem doing joint programs with other frats, even if it had nothing to do with themes letters or otherwise. I mean, if that's your preference, to each his own, but I think occassional joint programs are cool, you reach a wider audience, you'll bring people from both [or more] orgs, and probably attract people who may not come to either event individually. I know a lot of people who went to the 1911/pretty nasty party, on the premise of it being more crowded because it's the two groups on opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of stereotypes coming together. And, obviously, older members of our orgs felt the same way, which is why NPHC was created [promote solidarity].

I don't have a problem w/ joint programs or events. Red White and Blue weekend was off the hook (Kappas, Deltas, Sigmas, and Zetas). But there was no merging of letters or symbols on any flyers.

The merging of symbols is my gripe. Pretty Nasty is cool. Pretty Cold ok. Those are cool. But I just won't be repping dat. It's not my cup of tea.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

but you said earlier in this thread: [verbatim]

"I just don't like how the letters are strung together. That's some mess. I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi, but to put both of them together.

I mean if I was gonna be part in a threesome, I would hope two chicks were involved."

based on that statement I don't see anything that would lead me to believe you have a problem with the whole joining letters [including K A Psi], but maybe I misread. I don't think any of the ppl involved with that flyer feel as though their orgs can't stand on their own, I mean, to me, that's creativity and unity gone awry, but hey!

Ok. If you read it carefully. I said "I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi". That does not mean I agree with them.

I know. They didn't say any organization memntions couldn't stand alone and I don't think they thought that either. But imagine if we all merged names as a sign of unity?

Erikah Badu ft. D'Angelo--> Erikabadangelo?!?
Common ft. Kanye West--> Commanyewest?!?

Some things stand better alone. I just think seeing those three names together would be enough to get the message of unity across.

[DST_philoso4]

thanks for the clarification, when earlier in this thread [page one] on 08-05-2006 at 03:40 PM you said:

Originally Posted by marquise1911

WOW!!! I would never, ever, ever, combind names, letters, or key phrases with another frat. Yuck!

for some odd reason, I assumed you were talking about well, having a problem with frats combining "names, letters or key phrases" including things like pretty nasty, pretty cold, and yes, red white and blue weekend.

BUT, now that today, 8/8/06 at 1:39 pm you said:

Originally Posted by marquise1911

I don't have a problem w/ joint programs or events. Red White and Blue weekend was off the hook (Kappas, Deltas, Sigmas, and Zetas). But there was no merging of letters or symbols on any flyers.

The merging of symbols is my gripe. Pretty Nasty is cool. Pretty Cold ok. Those are cool. But I just won't be repping dat. It's not my cup of tea.

I'm just like oh I guess I'll have to catch you daily to see where you stand on the issue before trying to respond to ya

[DST_philoso4]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Ok. If you read it carefully. I said "I've heard of A-Phi-A-K-A or A-K-A-Psi". That does not mean I agree with them.

I know. They didn't say any organization memntions couldn't stand alone and I don't think they thought that either. But imagine if we all merged names as a sign of unity?

Erikah Badu ft. D'Angelo--> Erikabadangelo?!?
Common ft. Kanye West--> Commanyewest?!?

Some things stand better alone. I just think seeing those three names together would be enough to get the message of unity across.

I totally understand that doesn't mean that you agree with them, but because you didn't enumerate your discontent, and then went on to say "if I was part of a threesome I'd hope two chicks were involved", there is a deductive assumption that can be made that you are not adamantly against them! The only thing you admitted to disliking is the "colors being strung together."

and the examples you gave are different than the flyer. In the greek flyer no letters were omitted, letters that overlap were just not duplicated. but in the examples you gave they were actually omitted, which loses the meaning and is TERRIBLY uncreative, and not fluid. furthermore, had YOU read MY statement, you would see that SEVERAL times in this thread I blatantly stated that letter mixing is something with which I do not agree and do NOT condone INCLUDING the reply you quoted while making the statement above [If you need to see where, look at the post you quoted, I've made the print larger]! So why the continuous attempt to make a point to me that I've already gotten?

I understand what you meant about "standing alone" I'm just saying combining THEMES does not take away from one organization!

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

In the greek flyer no letters were omitted, letters that overlap were just not duplicated. but in the examples you gave they were actually omitted, which loses the meaning and is TERRIBLY uncreative, and not fluid.

Yes ma'am. In the flyer the last "A" in A-Phi-A and AKA were ommitted and the K in KAPsi was ommitted. Overlapped??? AF-AK-AY ??? That's not hard to see that something is missing.

[DST_philoso4]

Originally Posted by marquise1911

Yes ma'am. In the flyer the last "A" in A-Phi-A and AKA were ommitted and the K in KAPsi was ommitted. Overlapped??? AF-AK-AY ??? That's not hard to see that something is missing.

ok PLEASE RE-READ what I stated. I said no letters were omitted, it was just that the letters that overlap were NOT duplicated, meaning: [demonstration below]

A phi A
A K A
K A Psi

the ones bolded are overlapping letters [meaning, the same], so we're going to write the letters horizontally without duplicating overlapping letters, which I will make larger and in bold. ready?! here we go!

A Phi A K A Psi

so if you tried to find any organization's letters, all of them are there in the correct order. What you did could be more compared to:

Delta Sigma Gamma Rho

as in, trying to combine Delta Sigma Theta, and Sigma Gamma Rho. all of Delta Sigma Theta isn't there, for it to flow, you had to cut out the theta and just put gamma rho. If you look at what you posted, people's whole names aren't there! so, close....but no cigar! And again, ur still trying to convince me of something, when we're on the same side of issue on this one. You just need to make sure your gripes are valid. letters are overlapped but not omitted. there is a HUGE difference.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by ladygreek

I see nothing wrong with it except the color clash when put together. Using black, green and red would've looked better and even carried a dual symbolism.

AFAKAY

Very true. I didn't think of it that way.

[marquise1911]

Originally Posted by DST_philoso4

And again, ur still trying to convince me of something, when we're on the same side of issue on this one. You just need to make sure your gripes are valid. letters are overlapped but not omitted. there is a HUGE difference.

True. But who does the K belong to? I guess we gotta share it! Lol!