Hazing -- Good or bad? - Page 2

InHocYall · #16 09-25-2006, 02:33 PM

I've heard plenty of chapters at different schools profess one way or the other. From my own experience I can comfortably say that I would never join one of the non-hazing houses. Why? First, I don't respect the brothers who chose to go somewhere because they knew it would be a cakewalk. Second, hazing is a better way of demanding accountability. If a pledge messes up in a nonhazing house, all the house can do is keep him or depledge him. Whereas, in a hazing house there are measures to ensure that he keeps his obligations to the house and his pledge class. Third, what kind of stories do guys from nonhazing houses have to tell, "well we were really scared, but instead of being hazed we just read out of a pledge manual once a week, had study halls, and really got to know eachother." I'm not so much against adamant nonhazing policies, it's just in my experience those houses with them comprise the bottom tier of the fraternity row and are generally class A assbags.

AlphaFrog · #17 09-25-2006, 02:37 PM

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assbags

GIS = assbag (Just for the hell of it)

jon1856 · #18 09-25-2006, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by InHocYall

I've heard plenty of chapters at different schools profess one way or the other. From my own experience I can comfortably say that I would never join one of the non-hazing houses. Why? First, I don't respect the brothers who chose to go somewhere because they knew it would be a cakewalk. Second, hazing is a better way of demanding accountability. If a pledge messes up in a nonhazing house, all the house can do is keep him or depledge him. Whereas, in a hazing house there are measures to ensure that he keeps his obligations to the house and his pledge class. Third, what kind of stories do guys from nonhazing houses have to tell, "well we were really scared, but instead of being hazed we just read out of a pledge manual once a week, had study halls, and really got to know eachother." I'm not so much against adamant nonhazing policies, it's just in my experience those houses with them comprise the bottom tier of the fraternity row and are generally class A assbags.

Cakewalk? We are, I think we are at least, talking about school and a social/living envorment.

Demanding accountability? Not sure your point but one could turn it around ie hazing is against policy and in many places the law......

My experience is that those houses with DID haze were the bottom feeders and worse......and are no longer around......

Tom Earp · #19 09-25-2006, 04:12 PM

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Cakewalk? We are, I think we are at least, talking about school and a social/living envorment.

Demanding accountability? Not sure your point but one could turn it around ie hazing is against policy and in many places the law......

My experience is that those houses with DID haze were the bottom feeders and worse......and are no longer around......

Jon, well put and the problem is with many they cannot see what is in front of their own faces!

Hazing is becomeing passed as you said by either Greeks or State Laws and we all abide by them or die by them.

Coramoor · #20 09-25-2006, 10:07 PM

Pretty much anything can be misconstrued as 'hazing'. I'm not talking about beating a kid until he is blind, or making someone drink a handle of Crown.

jon1856,

I'm in the military and I know the difference between training and hazing. It's also the truth that the Marines have little to no trouble recruiting due to their reputation.

The frats on my campus that are known to be 'easy' to get into either have trouble recruiting or they majority of the guys that do get are dorks. The frats that have a reputation of being 'hard' get the best guys. Those are the guys that have guts and are not scared of a reputation. They are also the ones that take chances-not the 100% safe/risk free path.

jon1856 · #21 09-25-2006, 11:30 PM

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Pretty much anything can be misconstrued as 'hazing'. I'm not talking about beating a kid until he is blind, or making someone drink a handle of Crown.

jon1856,

I'm in the military and I know the difference between training and hazing. It's also the truth that the Marines have little to no trouble recruiting due to their reputation.

The frats on my campus that are known to be 'easy' to get into either have trouble recruiting or they majority of the guys that do get are dorks. The frats that have a reputation of being 'hard' get the best guys. Those are the guys that have guts and are not scared of a reputation. They are also the ones that take chances-not the 100% safe/risk free path.

Coramoor;
First, I wish to thank you for your service to us and our Country.
While I never served, I was a few numbers off in the draft, I do have family and friends who did and do. One is a full Bird in The Marines. My father was in the 1st Cav back in the day when they still had horses ;>D, and I have an Uncle who was second wave at Omaha.

As for the rest of your post, all I can say is the we have different POV's based on our own life experiences. I know what I saw on my own campus ( and what happened to my own house ) and what I saw, learned and heard about due to being involved in/on other larger matters.

OK?
P.S.:If I am reading correctly, your Brothers at my school were, and IIRC, still are a good house.

Iota ED · #22 09-27-2006, 11:02 AM

The way I see it is, Anything worth having is worth fighting for. If I didnt have to work so hard to get my letters, Im quite positive that I wouldnt have as much love for my Org that I do. Im a member of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. by the way.

DSTCHAOS · #23 09-27-2006, 02:59 PM

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The way I see it is, Anything worth having is worth fighting for. If I didnt have to work so hard to get my letters, Im quite positive that I wouldnt have as much love for my Org that I do. Im a member of Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc. by the way.

Does working hard have to equate to hazing?

shinerbock · #24 09-27-2006, 03:07 PM

Yes, in modern society, it does.

jon1856 · #25 09-27-2006, 03:10 PM

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Yes, in modern society, it does.

Hard work=Hazing?
Hazing=Hard work?

Can you or could you please provide a few links on this?
Thank you.

Iota ED · #26 09-27-2006, 03:14 PM

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Does working hard have to equate to hazing?

I never said anything about hazing.

DSTCHAOS · #27 09-27-2006, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Iota ED

I never said anything about hazing.

This is a thread about hazing.

Welcome to GC.

DSTCHAOS · #28 09-27-2006, 03:41 PM

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Yes, in modern society, it does.

My colleagues and I jokingly refer to doctoral programs as hoops, hurdles, and hazing rituals.

There's some truth to comparing hard work to hazing but that would support the notion that EVERYTHING is hazing if we use the term loosely.

I got hazed by Firestone today. They had me on hold for 5 minutes and wasted my daytime minutes.

macallan25 · #29 09-27-2006, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jon1856

Hard work=Hazing?
Hazing=Hard work?

Can you or could you please provide a few links on this?
Thank you.

What is it with you and your links?

KSUViolet06 · #30 09-27-2006, 03:42 PM

I dunno, maybe this depends on the school, but from what I've seen around here, the fraternities that don't haze get more guys than the ones that do.

Our top house in terms of numbers (has close to 75-80 guys), grades, sports, and campus involvement doesn't haze. All of the hazing chapters have either gotten kicked off campus, lost their chapter housing, or are down in the teens or 20's in numbers. I know that IFC is forbidding chapters with recent hazing violations from participating in formal recruitment, which hurts their numbers even more.

Also, even though people get hazed in these fraternities, from what I've seen, they don't stick around after initiation and only come around to haze the new guys every semester.