Does your HQ *really* want to know about hazing?

[Tom Earp]

Does it really matter?

If it goes against what Your IHQ stands for, the best thing is do not do it!

Plain and simple!

The Insurance cost go up and up, so who does that affect. The Chapter.

[Optimist Prime]

If it goes against what YOU believe in, its best not to do it.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally posted by bows&toes
They definatly look the other way if it's a big prominent chapter at a school with a great greek system such as Alabama, Ole Miss, Texas, etc. This has been proven time and time again. You think DKE will ever pull the Yale chapter for hazing? Don't hold your breath.

If you're some podunk chapter in NJ, they wont think twice of revoking you.

I have witnessed this in another GLO. One of their biggest chapters gets away with murder. (Although I have never heard of any chapters of this particular GLO that have been closed for hazing, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened).

[shinerbock]

I think its rare for them to close a big chapter. Usually when that does happen to one, it is not only the national org, but also public relations pressure from the university. I think it also depends on the chapter's relationship to the national org. For example, my chapter and others at the big southern schools have always had the largest classes, most money, etc, but we had basically no correspondence with nationals beyond what was neccesary. However, the chapters the national organization love and constantly give awards to (the ones that devote themselves almost entirely to fundraising and the HQ concepts of brotherhood, antihazing), will be much more likely to experience nationals wrath. Those chapters, although superb in the national org's mind, would do little to fight punishment. They generally are not great socially or financially, and thus have little alumni or money with which to cause nationals to pause before stripping them of a charter. Meanwhile, the big southern chapters, at least in my fraternity, have several of the most powerful alumni and the loss of a couple of those chapter's money and influence would have impace on the national fraternity.

[jon1856]

shinerbock;
You may wish to call your National before talking on this matter.

Not rare to close a 'big' chapter at all. And a National would rather do before the school does.

While one is fully entitled to have their opinons or perception, without getting into details, your entire comment is just about dead wrong on facts.

bows&toes, you too.

[tunatartare]

A year or two ago a friend of mine told me how a sorority at his school got into a lot of trouble with the school for hazing and that there was a good chance that they were going to lose their charter. While I don't know the exact details of what happened, a friend of mine from a different chapter of the same sorority told me that nothing ended up happening because the national president was from that chapter and didn't want to see her own chapter close. This was something that had been going on for years at that school. Chances are, the president herself could have, at some point been involved in it. If she wasn't, she could've just refused to accept the fact that her chapter would start participating in it, and turned a blind eye to it.

[shinerbock]

Well it may be dead wrong for other fraternities, but I'm speaking from personal experience. Having been in office and dealing with nationals, there were several instances where we handled something poorly or the university spoke to our nationals, in which nationals looked the other way. Of course they wouldnt look the other way if it was a major issue that is impossible to ignore such as publicized hazing or some serious accident...but I've seen other chapters of my fraternity get in trouble from nationals for lesser things than what we've done. That may just be the poor handling of one national GLO, but thats my experience.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well it may be dead wrong for other fraternities, but I'm speaking from personal experience. Having been in office and dealing with nationals, there were several instances where we handled something poorly or the university spoke to our nationals, in which nationals looked the other way. Of course they wouldnt look the other way if it was a major issue that is impossible to ignore such as publicized hazing or some serious accident...but I've seen other chapters of my fraternity get in trouble from nationals for lesser things than what we've done. That may just be the poor handling of one national GLO, but thats my experience.

Shinerbock:We can agree on your last comment.

[jon1856]

KLPDaisy;
While I do believe what you wrote is the truth, if also strikes me as being very close to those fake chain letters, hoaxes and Urban Legends that we all get in our e-mails. Having followed risk management, I would find it very hard that a GLO President would allow that kind of Risk to continue. For that matter, any company President, which is what GLO Nations have just about become.

The reason why I have an interest is the my home chapter lost its way. After 20 some year, some went very wrong with the Brotherhood within the house. I know that when I was there, we had problems but we still kept the Brotherhood. Well after I graduated, the house went from a house of Brotherhood, a good Chapter to something beyond Animal House. Both National and the school stepped in and National did a full review and interviews with everyone and shut the house down until everyone involved was gone. And now,over 6 years later, rush numbers are not at the level to try to re-start my chapter and the Sigma Nu's are in my house ( sorry guys )

And I know that National has done it to other chapters, both large and small. I know because I stayed involve enough to have conversations with members of National.

Bottom lines: Just because you heard something or part of something, always wise to check it out. And National Risk Management is not going to go away. It will be getting harder and stronger.

[belleks]

Delta Gamma, at it's national convention this summer, did an extremely effective OPEN discussion on hazing from the collegian perspective this summer -- and provided amnesty for any chapter who wanted to arrest the problem before August 1. They invited all chapters to come forward with honest requests for assistance.

We really put our money where our mouth is, in terms of programming support and elimination of a problem kept secret in women's groups.