Are you for, against, or in between?

[DST Love]

Originally posted by SableCherub:
i am pro-choice...and for me it is not that simple...choosing to have sex or not...i have chosen to abstain from sex for an indefinite period of time so as not to "wreck" my future endeavors because they would be greatly inhibited by my getting pregnant before i marry...not everyone chooses to abstain...and for those that do not...i fully advocate their right to pursue a legal option...i am not an advocate in any way shape or form of denying anyone their LEGAL rights for any reason...therefore i am pro-choice...not pro-abortion...there is a big difference in my opinion...

I don't want you to think I'm trying to argue but I really don't understand your response. You said, "not everyone chooses to abstain". But isn't that the CHOICE? All I'm saying is (if I drank), I would have the choice to either drink and let someone else drive me home or drink and drive myself home. Now if I did the latter, I know that the possibilities are I could kill myself and/or others. Isn't it about being responsible in the first place? Or should I not be held responsible for my actions if I kill myself or others while driving drunk? I know that if I point a loaded gun at someone and pull the trigger, the possiblity is they might die. My main point: if I know what the possibilities of my actions are, then I am making a conscious, well-informed decision of whether or not I want to deal with said possibilites.

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited June 04, 2001).]

[SableCherub]

arguement is not an issue here...respecting other peoples CHOICES is...i respect your choice to be against abortion...and equally you should...in my opinion respect my choice of being pro-choice and not making a woman that has chosen to have an abortion feel guilty for that choice...that is the joy and pain of living in a free..."democratic" society...freedom of choice...for the good or bad...GOD gives us that choice...why can't you?

[DST Love]

Thanks for responding more in detail, SableCherub.

While I agree that people have a right to feel differently spirutally, emotionally, etc., is it not important to still hold people responsible for their actions? What kind of society would we have if no one was held responsible for their actions big or small? Under what circumstances and in what situations is it okay to say, "since you don't like your consequences, you don't have to deal with it?"

[DST Love]

Originally posted by SableCherub:
arguement is not an issue here...respecting other peoples CHOICES is...i respect your choice to be against abortion...and equally you should...in my opinion respect my choice of being pro-choice and not making a woman that has chosen to have an abortion feel guilty for that choice...that is the joy and pain of living in a free..."democratic" society...freedom of choice...for the good or bad...GOD gives us that choice...why can't you?

I am not saying whether or not it should be legal or illegal. I am just simply wanting to know why the choice can't be before you have sex and in what circumstances do you not have to deal with consequences of one's own actions. I am also not condemning anyone if they are for abortions remaining legal. My stance on this issue is just that: mine. I'm not telling you or anyone else what they should think. I am a person who loves to challenge my own thoughts and beliefs as well as others. To me, that is the only way one becomes more knowledgable and in turn is able to grow. So please don't think I'm arguing with you or your beliefs. As I stated before, I honestly just want to understand others' thinking on this matter. I've always been told since I was little that my mind is like that of a lawyer's. So I think it's just the inner lawyer in me wanting to come out ! Why I'm an accountant, I don't know.

I appreciate everyone's opinion on this matter, but I will discontinue posting for this topic as I do not need to discuss my opinion further and do not want this to get out of hand.

[This message has been edited by DST Love (edited June 04, 2001).]

[D.E.M.4's]

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:
I am pro-choice.

D.E.M.4's,

How did you come up with a four week time limit for abortions?

I feel that a woman should have the right to choose. I choose to have safe sex. I didn't choose for the condomn to break. Or for the birth control that I used to not work correctly. If you find yourself pregnant then I think you should keep the baby. However, if there are underlying issues that could prevent you to have the baby (medical or otherwise) I think you should be given the right to choose what is best for you and the child. I have real issues with the women that think about it until they are 5 or 6 months pregnant. I think a time limit should be set and I chose 4 weeks. No scientific explanation-just 4 weeks. I hope that answers your question.

I've always been in the middle about this subject.

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"If you know from whence you came there is no limit to where you can go." 'Frederick Douglas'

[This message has been edited by D.E.M.4's (edited June 04, 2001).]

[poise-n-ivy]

I believe that abortion is killing God's creation and it is wrong. Although some are unable to embrace a fetus as a "baby" or even a "living being", it is.

However, I do not believe that the government (the president or anyone else for that matter) should decide such things for a woman. Would it be wise then to say that since I am a woman I have authority over my body? No, my body is a temple for the Lord. When it comes to God's will, I see no "choice".

Furthermore, some women cannot have children. Therefore, it is a blessing to bring a child into the world. It is a gift, despite any other circumstances. What about adoption as an option? I believe that some use abortion as an "easy way out". I know many close friends that have had abortions. They spent that couple of hours to get that "taken care of" and that was it. But, I also know of some of the regret they face. Because of the circumstances, I was "supposed" to be aborted. I cherish my life so very much and thank God that (at the last minute) I was not (aborted).

[D.E.M.4's]

Originally posted by DST Love:
I am usually a woman of my word but I never clarified this in any of my previous posts so once I make this statement, I promise I am through with this topic (unless someone addresses me specifically in their post ).

While one may not choose for the contraceptive to fail, I think we all know that no contraceptive has a 100% success rate. If there is such a thing, please let me know. In saying this, if one knows that there is even a 5% chance of failure rate among a contraceptive, when you CHOOSE to have sex, are you not accepting that 5% risk of getting pregnant? Like my driving drunk example, while it may not be 100% that one WILL kill themselves or others while driving drunk or get caught by police for DUI, they still know that there is that chance they COULD. Therefore, they are accepting that risk the moment they get behind the wheel. If said person does kill someone or get caught by police, should they be able to say that since they thought they were okay to drive and did not plan to or think they would kill someone or get caught, they really should not have to be held responsible or go to jail because it would not be feasible right now or would hinder/complicate their life, even though they knew that driving drunk may lead to homicide or jail time?

But for the record (again), while I am against abortion, I am not necessarily saying I think the government should ban abortions.

I must say, that I never thought of it quite that way but very good point. Thank you for your insight. It is very much appreciated.


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"If you know from whence you came there is no limit to where you can go." 'Frederick Douglas'

[DST Love]

Originally posted by D.E.M.4's:
I feel that a woman should have the right to choose. I choose to have safe sex. I didn't choose for the condomn to break. Or for the birth control that I used to not work correctly.

I am usually a woman of my word but I never clarified this in any of my previous posts so once I make this statement, I promise I am through with this topic (unless someone addresses me specifically in their post ).

While one may not choose for the contraceptive to fail, I think we all know that no contraceptive has a 100% success rate. If there is such a thing, please let me know. In saying this, if one knows that there is even a 5% chance of failure rate among a contraceptive, when you CHOOSE to have sex, are you not accepting that 5% risk of getting pregnant? Like my driving drunk example, while it may not be 100% that one WILL kill themselves or others while driving drunk or get caught by police for DUI, they still know that there is that chance they COULD. Therefore, they are accepting that risk the moment they get behind the wheel. If said person does kill someone or get caught by police, should they be able to say that since they thought they were okay to drive and did not plan to or think they would kill someone or get caught, they really should not have to be held responsible or go to jail because it would not be feasible right now or would hinder/complicate their life, even though they knew that driving drunk may lead to homicide or jail time?

But for the record (again), while I am against abortion, I am not necessarily saying I think the government should ban abortions.

[DPiece7]

I believe that a woman should have the right to decide on her own whether or not she wants to keep her child. No one can know what it's like to be in that predicament unless the are actually faced with the dilemma. A woman should not be forced to bring forth a child that she does not want to or cannot take care of. In the end, that child would end up hurt because his/her mother never wanted him/her in the first place. A woman can have any reason for not choosing not to keep a child- it may not be the right time in her life; she may not be able to care for the child fiancially or emotionally, etc., etc. Of course a woman should think about that before getting pregnant but let's be realistic! Things happen, we're human and we make mistakes- should we have to pay for them for the rest of our lives? I do agree that it is not God's will for us to kill His children- it is a sin to have an abortion. But people sin everyday- I don't think God rates sins by degree of badness, a sin is a sin. I think the woman will just need to repent and truly be sorry about it and make sure that it doesn't happen again. For those people that have like ten abortions and rely on abortion to save their butts, let God deal with them!

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I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13

[Tru Blue Lady]

I respect others opinions pertaining the subject, but I think that an unborn baby is human and that a human life should not be taken because of it's mother's stupid mistake. If you choose to have sex, you should also be willing to suffer the consequences of your actions. (This post is not meant to offend anyone, Just my opinion)