Starkville bans smoking in MSU houses

[kddani]

Previous threads on smoking bans that may be of interest:
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...cancer+smoking

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...cancer+smoking

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...cancer+smoking

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...cancer+smoking

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
You're right, it IS about rights. The rights of everyone, not smokers only. By someone putting me at risk because of their dirty habit, my rights are being violated. If I had it my way, smokers would only be allowed to smoke in their homes.

So smokers tie you up and drag you to places where they blow smoke in your face? You're free to decline to visit establishments that allow smoking. There, isn't that easy?

For the record, I don't smoke and I don't enjoy the smell of smoke. However, I also realize that my preferences shouldn't control the lives of others.

[ZZ-kai-]

I already avoid smoke-trap establishments. And for the record, the air was clean before it was smoke filled. Preferences or not, smokers don't deserve 'smoking rights', everyone else deserves 'clean air rights'.

PS, and yes, when it comes to my health and other people infringing on it, 'it is all about me'.

[33girl]

Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
I already avoid smoke-trap establishments. And for the record, the air was clean before it was smoke filled. Preferences or not, smokers don't deserve 'smoking rights', everyone else deserves 'clean air rights'.

PS, and yes, when it comes to my health and other people infringing on it, 'it is all about me'.

Get real.

If it wasn't for the anti-smoking nazis and if TOLERANCE and solutions that make both smokers and non-smokers comfortable were promoted instead of selfishness, this would be a much nicer place to live.

The nonsmokers (or rather, antismokers, because not everyone who doesn't smoke is a jerk) are the ones who act like self righteous a-holes, not the smokers.

[ZZ-kai-]

Please give me some examples of Tolerance. Something like "well, I'm ok enhaling no more than 3 of your cigs. second hand smoke per day'.? Nobody should have to tolerate someone elses dirty habit, smoking or something else, nobody should have to tolerate it...

As for solutions, I'm ok with solutions. Smoking rooms? Great. Smoking sections? Get real. Smoke on the deck outside. That's fine.

And it's not being selfish, its being real. Some people don't mind being in a smoke filled room, some do. But either way, it shouldn't be imposed on anyone.

[33girl]

Tolerance is not getting in someone's face and telling them they're going to get cancer when they light up, or that they stink, or anything else. Can you imagine if a person walked up to a fat person eating a burger and told her she was going to die of a coronary and she's a hog? It's that kind of rudeness masquerading as self-righteousness that pisses me off.

Smoking on the deck outside is NOT fine in winter weather.

Establishments like bars and restaurants can be built so that the smoking areas are isolated from the rest of the restaurant. I agree that the smoking section separated by a plant is silly and useless, but before you condemn it all, realize that some places are doing it efficiently because they have the sense not to alienate a large part of their clientele.

[Optimist Prime]

Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
I already avoid smoke-trap establishments. And for the record, the air was clean before it was smoke filled. Preferences or not, smokers don't deserve 'smoking rights', everyone else deserves 'clean air rights'.

PS, and yes, when it comes to my health and other people infringing on it, 'it is all about me'.

But everyone has that attitude though. Smokers have the right to smoke, no one should try to take that, but people have the right to breathe clean air. If you deny the rights of one group and not of another you're a hypocrite. I don't want to be a hypocrite, and I don't think anyone else does, so let's work together for a solution that works for everyone.


SMOKERS= have the right to smoke in their homes, and any smoke friendly place that is advertised as such, i.e. "
Smoking districts, bars, etc."

Then they'd be away from non smokers.

[sdbeta1]

Y'all need to take a trip to California, and realize that having banned smoking isn't going to cause a rip in the fabric of time. The ability to be able to smoke cigarettes isn't going to make this "a much nicer place to live." Let's really get real and think about how fortunate we are to have good health, when the better part of the world is starving to death.

[GeekyPenguin]

I LOVE banned smoking. It is delightful to go out to bars and not reek of smoke and have to immediately wash those clothes and shower so I don't stink up my house.

[sdbeta1]

without smoking bans we would never have Charlie Bravo...hooray for Charlie Bravo

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
And it's not being selfish, its being real. Some people don't mind being in a smoke filled room, some do. But either way, it shouldn't be imposed on anyone.

I realize that we're never going to agree on this issue. However, do you see why I'm bothered by what you're saying? I think you're saying that inhaling smoke-filled air shouldn't be imposed on anyone. That's fine -- but why should your desire to never encounter smoke anywhere be imposed on anyone? And unless you're forced to be in a smoke-filled room, how is smoke-filled air EVER imposed on you?

I don't think it's an issue of anything being imposed on anyone. In an ideal world, there would be some establishments (restaurants, bars, etc.) that allow smoking, some that don't, and some that have smoking and nonsmoking sections, and we can all choose where we want to go. How could that be a bad thing?

Question for GP: You love banned smoking. Does that justify implementing laws to prohibit smoking in public (or are you just saying you dig it)?

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I realize that we're never going to agree on this issue. However, do you see why I'm bothered by what you're saying? I think you're saying that inhaling smoke-filled air shouldn't be imposed on anyone. That's fine -- but why should your desire to never encounter smoke anywhere be imposed on anyone? And unless you're forced to be in a smoke-filled room, how is smoke-filled air EVER imposed on you?

I don't think it's an issue of anything being imposed on anyone. In an ideal world, there would be some establishments (restaurants, bars, etc.) that allow smoking, some that don't, and some that have smoking and nonsmoking sections, and we can all choose where we want to go. How could that be a bad thing?

Question for GP: You love banned smoking. Does that justify implementing laws to prohibit smoking in public (or are you just saying you dig it)?

They've banned smoking in bars and restaurants here and I'm pretty sure it's been banned in all other public buildings forever. Most people go outside to smoke, even in the winter, and that doesn't bother me - I have no problemw ith people smoking OUTSIDE as long as it is a reasonable distance from the doorway. A lot of my classmates smoke and most of them think this is reasonable - they can still smoke and I can avoid it if I want to.

[Rudey]

I want to be able to drive my car without a speedlimit on the freeway.

-Rudey
--Why won't the government let me?

[33girl]

Originally posted by Rudey
I want to be able to drive my car without a speedlimit on the freeway.

-Rudey
--Why won't the government let me?

You can in Montana.

[Kevin]

Someone's right to expel noxious gas in my general direction ends with my right not to have to breathe it. Considering our right to be where we're at is equal, I consider it to be a morally superior position for me to demand that someone does not engage in an act that is harmful to me simply because I am in their general area.

This is basically the same as my right not to have to navigate the public roads alongside others who have engaged in their 'right' to consume a yard or two of beer before calling it a night.

My right to be in a safe and healthy environment outweighs another's right to engage in acts which render my environment harmful.