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10-19-2005, 07:23 AM
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Re: "White" to "Black"
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WHAT ARE THE PROVISIONS ABOUT JOINING A "HISTORICALLY BLACK" GLO, THEN "CROSSING OVER" AND VICE VERSA? I INCLUDE LATINA, ASIAN, MULTI-CULTURAL SORORITIES IN THIS TOO, OF COURSE. IS THERE A CERTAIN PROVISION AGAINST IT...OR IF IT IS ACCEPTABLE, ARE THERE PROPER STEPS TO TAKE IN DE-PLEDGING ONE BEFORE JOINING THE OTHER?
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Honestly, I believe it depends on the organization and/or the chapter. I think that if any one were to be allowed in most cases, they would have to answer some tough questions like:
1. Why did you join the other organization in the first place?
2. Why are you leaving that organization?
3. Are you going to disaffiliate/depledge? If not, why?
4. Do you plan on being active and representing both organizations?
5. How do we know you won't flake out on us and go join something else after you're initiated?
And personally, I think you'd have to have some darn good answers. Anyway, I think most organizations would say no. I personally would vote no on anyone who was in another org first. I believe that a sorority is a life long membership...and that's why you should seriously research and make sure it's the right decision for you before you just pledge anything. That's why I don't like when orgs allow 1st sememster freshman to join...I've heard and seen more than one person screw themselves by just jumping in without knowing what is really going on.
Also, some organizations actually have it in their constitution about if this is allowed or not. Almost all orgs outside of IFC/NPC call themselves a service organization. Maybe your friend from AGD got away with it because AGD is classified as a social org and DST is classified as a service org.
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10-19-2005, 07:48 AM
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Re: more info
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Their in Kappa Delta Chi and want to join Zeta Phi Beta, Alpha Kappa Alpha, Delta Sigma Theta or Sigma Gamma Rho.
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they haven't even narrowed it down to one?
whoa.....
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10-19-2005, 07:56 AM
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Relative to DST, if it is a NPC sorority, then the answer is flat out no, even if they depledged or denounced (this is a recent policy change.) If not, then maybe, depending on the whim of the chapter in which she now seeks membership--they may have other reasons for not accepting her.
But then my answer really isn't relevant since you specifically referred to Zeta Phi Beta in its forum.
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10-19-2005, 08:07 AM
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What if "she" decides "she" doesn't like the NPHC org? Is "she" going to just try to find another org to join?
Seriously though, KDChi is not just a service org. Alpha Phi Omega on the other hand, is a service-based org.
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10-19-2005, 09:20 AM
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I thought it was Drunk n' party.
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Me too!
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10-19-2005, 10:23 AM
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Re: Re: more info
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Originally posted by starang21
they haven't even narrowed it down to one?
whoa.....
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Perhaps they have but are simply being discreet (which is rare as hen's teeth around here lately so you probably didn't pick it up  ).
ETA wait, perhaps they have.
http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...threadid=71542
And yes, saying KDChi is "volunteering based" is really stretching it. Not that they don't volunteer, but you know what I mean.
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10-19-2005, 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by texas*princess
What if "she" decides "she" doesn't like the NPHC org? Is "she" going to just try to find another org to join?
Seriously though, KDChi is not just a service org. Alpha Phi Omega on the other hand, is a service-based org.
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Well, not just 'service-based'. We are a Service Fraternity vs. a Social Fraternity. Thus members can join us and a Social Fraternity or Sorority. The 'you can join only one' doesn't apply to us.
There are only 2 Service Sororities: Gamma Sigma Sigma and Omega Phi Alpha. All the others are either social, honorary, or professional.
I would think that regardless of whether or not the social sorority in question is Latino, Historically Black, NPHC, NPC, etc, the same 'rules' applies as with social fraternities: you get to join one.
I can't speak on whether one can disassociate from one and then join another. Will leave that to those qualified to answer that.
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10-19-2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by emb021
Well, not just 'service-based'. We are a Service Fraternity vs. a Social Fraternity. Thus members can join us and a Social Fraternity or Sorority. The 'you can join only one' doesn't apply to us.
There are only 2 Service Sororities: Gamma Sigma Sigma and Omega Phi Alpha. All the others are either social, honorary, or professional.
I would think that regardless of whether or not the social sorority in question is Latino, Historically Black, NPHC, NPC, etc, the same 'rules' applies as with social fraternities: you get to join one.
I can't speak on whether one can disassociate from one and then join another. Will leave that to those qualified to answer that.
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I didn't want to get further into it but there's the whole selective membership thing with social GLOs. I think it's safe to say that organizations which have Title IX exemption are the ones that discourage/forbid cross membership.
Any thoughts on that?
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10-19-2005, 01:20 PM
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I didn't want to get further into it but there's the whole selective membership thing with social GLOs. I think it's safe to say that organizations which have Title IX exemption are the ones that discourage/forbid cross membership.
Any thoughts on that?
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I've never heard Title IX brought into the discussion on joining more then one social. The idea of only joining one long predates it. (Title IX came out in the early 70s or so).
There is also some restrictions amoung the professionals. I believe you are only allowed to join one of a particular kind. (ie, there are several business GLO. But you can only join one).
I've never tied in the 'selective membership' policies of the socials as a reason for only joining one. I've always tied it to their social aspects that meant that joining another social kind of went against. (while service, professional, and honoraries use the concepts of fraternialized, they are a little different).
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10-19-2005, 01:24 PM
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I thought it was Drunk n' party.
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It could be Drunken Party or Dark and Pretty as a play on a Black Hair care product line called Dark n Lovely
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10-19-2005, 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by emb021
I've never heard Title IX brought into the discussion on joining more then one social. The idea of only joining one long predates it. (Title IX came out in the early 70s or so).
There is also some restrictions amoung the professionals. I believe you are only allowed to join one of a particular kind. (ie, there are several business GLO. But you can only join one).
I've never tied in the 'selective membership' policies of the socials as a reason for only joining one. I've always tied it to their social aspects that meant that joining another social kind of went against. (while service, professional, and honoraries use the concepts of fraternialized, they are a little different).
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What I meant is that we can look today at organizations falling under the Title IX exemption and use that as a measure of the likelihood that an organization would allow cross membership. I do know the history though!
So, it's not because of the status that they're exclusive but their exclusiveness can be predicted if you know the status.
It seems to be a tradition moreso than a longstanding rule for social orgs. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
On the drunken party, has everyone seen her signature? "Dark and Pretty is all I am, and wanna be."
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10-19-2005, 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
What I meant is that we can look today at organizations falling under the Title IX exemption and use that as a measure of the likelihood that an organization would allow cross membership. I do know the history though!
So, it's not because of the status that they're exclusive but their exclusiveness can be predicted if you know the status.
It seems to be a tradition moreso than a longstanding rule for social orgs. Otherwise, it doesn't make any sense.
On the drunken party, has everyone seen her signature? "Dark and Pretty is all I am, and wanna be."
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My point was more of an observation that this was an interesting concept. I had never heard anyone put it forth. (also, I made no assumpts as to how knowledgable you might be about Title IX. I was more concerned that others out there won't be).
AFAIK, I believe its a rule amoung the socials. But I'll leave it up to others to confirm/deny.
As to 'tradition'. I heard an interesting quote about tradition. Basically it went that 'its tradition when we've forgotten why we do it'. (you know the old reaction: "we HAVE to do it. It's TRADITION").
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10-19-2005, 01:52 PM
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My point was more of an observation that this was an interesting concept. I had never heard anyone put it forth. (also, I made no assumpts as to how knowledgable you might be about Title IX. I was more concerned that others out there won't be).
AFAIK, I believe its a rule amoung the socials. But I'll leave it up to others to confirm/deny.
As to 'tradition'. I heard an interesting quote about tradition. Basically it went that 'its tradition when we've forgotten why we do it'. (you know the old reaction: "we HAVE to do it. It's TRADITION").
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I see. Very good then! (And, it's looking more and more like tradition - plus it sets the socials apart as more elitist...whether or not that's truly good.)
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10-19-2005, 02:31 PM
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It could be Drunken Party or Dark and Pretty as a play on a Black Hair care product line called Dark n Lovely
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I keep thinking 'Durk and Purty' for some reason...
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10-19-2005, 02:35 PM
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I keep thinking 'Durk and Purty' for some reason...
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I thought Dark and Pretty.  LOL
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