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Coramoor · #16 10-02-2005, 08:23 PM

Again, I disagree.

Beta has to discriminate. I've seen chapters on my campus that do not discriminate and they take anyone that walks in their door.

What happens to them?

They keep getting worse. They are the joke of the campus and probably will never be able to get rid of that rep.

However, chapters that only take the best of what walks into their house will remain strong and attract other quality men. Enjoy good relations with sororities, achieve numbers, be more active on campus, have more money to participate in events, etc.

I'd take 5 quality men, over a class of 20 medicore.

a.e.B.O.T. · #17 10-02-2005, 09:37 PM

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Originally posted by Coramoor
Again, I disagree.

Beta has to discriminate. I've seen chapters on my campus that do not discriminate and they take anyone that walks in their door.

What happens to them?

They keep getting worse. They are the joke of the campus and probably will never be able to get rid of that rep.

However, chapters that only take the best of what walks into their house will remain strong and attract other quality men. Enjoy good relations with sororities, achieve numbers, be more active on campus, have more money to participate in events, etc.

I'd take 5 quality men, over a class of 20 medicore.

I ABSOLUTELY AGREE... 100% with everything you just said. What I dont get is how you think someone being gay makes them 'medicore'... A few of our best guys are homosexual. They live up to the beta name true and true and give 110%... in FACT, one of them was beta of the week by the national fraternity.

Homosexuality is not a disease, it is not a 'bad habit.' it is not a sin.

ZZ-kai- · #18 10-03-2005, 10:22 AM

You're right, somewhat. We do have to 'discriminate' during rush/pledging. Meaning, we take guys that are top-notch and are assets to the chapter, not liabilities.

Being gay (or black, or asian, or tall, or fat...etc.) has nothing to do with that.

scotty K · #19 10-25-2005, 01:16 PM

It is my opinion that if a man is worthy of membership, then he should be given a bid. Gay men are attracted to fraternity life for most of the same reasons as str8 guys, exception being girls. They can be the greatest asset to your chapter. All I can say is look at the charter of a man not at emoitional attactments.

jcbeta07 · #20 11-02-2005, 11:56 AM

So I started this thread a while back. Since then, the attitude in my chapter has greatly improved and things are going great. Also, we had a pleadge come out to the chapter a couple weeks ago. I guess seeing an active go through it first, inspired him to come out and do the same.

ECUJacob · #21 11-02-2005, 11:58 AM

^ That's great to hear!

FRATMOSPHERE · #22 12-25-2005, 02:47 AM

This thread is ridiculous. I come from a southern chapter so maybe I'm a bit conservative, but let me ask you this, if you are letting in gay guys then what is the point of your chapter? What do you do when it comes time for semiformal/formal and other date functions. Do your brothers bring guys? Do you ever mix with sororities? How do they feel about the fact that you have openly gay guys in your chapters? If you believe that having gay men in your chapter is not a detriment to rush then you're kidding yourself. Why do you think the average guy joins a fraternity? The answer is to go to parties and meet girls, (not to learn what ideals by which he should live his life. If you have to join an organization to learn these ideals then your parents wasted about 18 years raising you). Why would any respectable straight guy want to join a group that actively supports having gay members. Is that going to hurt or help his chances of getting laid? I'm going to say 'hurt.'

That's quite a few questions to be answered but give it your best.

kddani · #23 12-25-2005, 10:29 AM

Nothing like making a post filled with hatred on Christmas day. Really, I hope you feel good about yourself when you go to church today.

ZZ-kai- · #24 12-25-2005, 11:19 AM

Merry Christmas FRATMOSPHERE, you obviously have no clue.....

PS, stay holed up in your 'Southern Chapter', we don't want you out in the real world.

Coramoor · #25 12-25-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by a.e.B.O.T.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE... 100% with everything you just said. What I dont get is how you think someone being gay makes them 'medicore'... A few of our best guys are homosexual. They live up to the beta name true and true and give 110%... in FACT, one of them was beta of the week by the national fraternity.

Homosexuality is not a disease, it is not a 'bad habit.' it is not a sin.

The chapters that I have experience with, that also have openly gay members are usually lackluster. Problems with rush, internal problems with brotherhood, and external problems with other orgs. That's from chapters on my campus and talking to members of other Beta chapters. I won't say that's the sole reason, but it is one of them.

If you want to pledge someone and try to make some point-that's fine. I think that it opens up too many problems and in the end only hurts the chapter.

FRATMOSPHERE · #26 12-25-2005, 10:19 PM

Can you answer any of those questions? That's all I'm asking.

ZZ-kai- · #27 12-25-2005, 11:38 PM

I come from a southern chapter so maybe I'm a bit conservative, but let me ask you this, if you are letting in gay guys then what is the point of your chapter? Letting in gays has nothing to do with the point of our chapter. The point of our chapter is not 'to not let in gays'. The point of our chapter is to dominate grades, athletics, student body...etc. It has nothing to do with being gay.

What do you do when it comes time for semiformal/formal and other date functions. Do your brothers bring guys? We all bring dates. Some hetero guys go solo, most bring female dates. Gay brothers can go solo, or bring a date. We don't discriminate, so it's not a big deal.

Do you ever mix with sororities? How do they feel about the fact that you have openly gay guys in your chapters? Yes, all the time. They don't care, why would they? They're gay, so it's not like they're trying to get in the sorority girls pants. If anything, they're more annoyed by 18 year old freshman who have never 'seen it' before...

If you believe that having gay men in your chapter is not a detriment to rush then you're kidding yourself. Why do you think the average guy joins a fraternity? The answer is to go to parties and meet girls, (not to learn what ideals by which he should live his life. If you have to join an organization to learn these ideals then your parents wasted about 18 years raising you). I bet a gay guy can get a girl faster than you, so if anything, they would help rush - at least on the girl scene. And, I wouldn't want guys in my chapter that cannot accept diversity. Geez, next thing you're going to say is that you can't have Jewish members, or Latino's...etc.

Why would any respectable straight guy want to join a group that actively supports having gay members. Is that going to hurt or help his chances of getting laid? I'm going to say 'hurt.' A 'respectable straight guy' won't give a shit if there is a gay member in the fraternity he joins. And, getting laid is not the point of being in a fraternity.

So, I've answered your questions. Now, you need to re-think why you went greek, if you did at all. If its about discriminating and just getting ass, you're a real loser and maybe someday you'll reanalyze your thoughts when you find out your blood-brother is gay - and I sure as hell hope you're not a Beta.

PS, why so anonymous? Post your chapter and roll number....yeah, that's right, I didn't think so. Only cowards post this shit on the internet.

FRATMOSPHERE · #28 12-26-2005, 01:00 AM

I come from a southern chapter so maybe I'm a bit conservative, but let me ask you this, if you are letting in gay guys then what is the point of your chapter? Letting in gays has nothing to do with the point of our chapter. The point of our chapter is not 'to not let in gays'. The point of our chapter is to dominate grades, athletics, student body...etc. It has nothing to do with being gay.

-You seemed to have overlooked the social aspect of the chapter. I can understand the sense of pride from finishing high in grades and athletics but we're talking about a social fraternity. If you wanted to join an organization for the grades then why did you not join an honors fraternity?

What do you do when it comes time for semiformal/formal and other date functions. Do your brothers bring guys? We all bring dates. Some hetero guys go solo, most bring female dates. Gay brothers can go solo, or bring a date. We don't discriminate, so it's not a big deal.

-Alright, the fact that any of your guys are going solo tells me that your chapter sucks. If you have guys among your ranks that can't at least find a date (not even to hook up, just a date) then you're pathetic. But besides that, can you honestly sit there and watch one of your fraternity brothers dance with another male and feel just peachy about it?

Do you ever mix with sororities? How do they feel about the fact that you have openly gay guys in your chapters? Yes, all the time. They don't care, why would they? They're gay, so it's not like they're trying to get in the sorority girls pants. If anything, they're more annoyed by 18 year old freshman who have never 'seen it' before...

-I have nothing legitimate for this one. However, is the average weight of the sorority under 150?

If you believe that having gay men in your chapter is not a detriment to rush then you're kidding yourself. Why do you think the average guy joins a fraternity? The answer is to go to parties and meet girls, (not to learn what ideals by which he should live his life. If you have to join an organization to learn these ideals then your parents wasted about 18 years raising you). I bet a gay guy can get a girl faster than you, so if anything, they would help rush - at least on the girl scene. And, I wouldn't want guys in my chapter that cannot accept diversity. Geez, next thing you're going to say is that you can't have Jewish members, or Latino's...etc.

-You bet a gay guy can get a girl faster than I can? Seriously? When you say get a girl do you mean talk to one. If so, you're probably right but if you mean have sex with a girl then I'm going to go ahead and say that I could do it faster. Hold on. Seriously, hold on. You believe that gay guys help in rushing straight guys? Let me ask you one more question. How does diversity help your organization. Does it make you closer, because you're all different?

Why would any respectable straight guy want to join a group that actively supports having gay members. Is that going to hurt or help his chances of getting laid? I'm going to say 'hurt.' A 'respectable straight guy' won't give a shit if there is a gay member in the fraternity he joins. And, getting laid is not the point of being in a fraternity.

-Yes it is.

So, I've answered your questions. Now, you need to re-think why you went greek, if you did at all. If its about discriminating and just getting ass, you're a real loser and maybe someday you'll reanalyze your thoughts when you find out your blood-brother is gay - and I sure as hell hope you're not a Beta.

PS, why so anonymous? Post your chapter and roll number....yeah, that's right, I didn't think so. Only cowards post this shit on the internet.

-Fuck no I'm not a Beta. I saw this thread because it was linked from another website. This thread is so gay that it has another thread in the other forum dedicated to making fun of it.

www.fratty.net

The thread is entitled Beta Theta Pi under Schools/Frats. Congratulations, this may change your life.

ZZ-kai- · #29 12-26-2005, 10:19 AM

You're welcome, now leave - you're an idiot.

PS, let us know who you are - chapter, school, org., name...etc. I really want to know how ballsy you really are, or if you're a loser like all those other fratty.net guys who 'hide' behind their monitor with clever screen names....I doubt you have the balls you portray. It takes a real big man to be a tough guy online, but when your chapter president, your national fraternity, and maybe even your mother know what you're writing, I'm sure you'll act differently. So, I ask again, if you're the big tough guy you say you are, let us know who you are.

Coramoor · #30 12-26-2005, 03:24 PM

Two things in reply to fratmosphere.

1.I didn't need to join a fraternity as a crutch in order to meet girls. I can get girls on my own. My frat did open up my social circle a lot, but relying on some girl to get wet when you tell her you are a frat guy is pretty weak.

2.When I was rushing, if a fraternity did tell me they had openly gay members...I would have thought 'What the fuck. Do they go to date parties together...what are they going to make me do when I'm pledging.' Either way, I would not have pledged that fraternity.