Banning alumni from the house? - Page 2

ZZ-kai- · #16 08-25-2005, 03:17 PM

A little more depth. We rent our chapter house, it is not owned by the HC. We do have a very active HC, however, we hold no power/authority over the chapter (I'm on the board).

I am thinking that the only people that can stop this are the brothers living in the house. They need to stand up and say "get the eff outta here if you're going to do that.". If that doesn't work, they need to get the cops involved.

Sad, but unfortunately it happens.

It all starts with rush and pledging. Rush good guys, educate them properly, and you'll get good alumni. Rush an assbag, you'll have an assbag for an alumni. I have seen too many cases of that. booo

Kevin · #17 08-25-2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
A little more depth. We rent our chapter house, it is not owned by the HC. We do have a very active HC, however, we hold no power/authority over the chapter (I'm on the board).

I am thinking that the only people that can stop this are the brothers living in the house. They need to stand up and say "get the eff outta here if you're going to do that.". If that doesn't work, they need to get the cops involved.

Sad, but unfortunately it happens.

It all starts with rush and pledging. Rush good guys, educate them properly, and you'll get good alumni. Rush an assbag, you'll have an assbag for an alumni. I have seen too many cases of that. booo

Sounds like step #1 is to get the HC to be the leaseholder. As an alumni corporation, you definitely want some say as to how your chapter runs their property. It's crucial to your long-term goals which an active alum housing corp should be very interested and involved in.

See what you can do about that over the long haul. In the meantime, get your chapter president on board with you wanting this guy forbidden to trespass on your property. Get an attorney to help you put together a letter or whatever needs to be put together to say something to that effect. It shouldn't be too hard, but I'm sure the law is different in your state than it is here.

Our active chapter had a similar problem with this nutso resident of the community who kept coming onto greek property, getting us cited for phantom noise violations, etc. a couple years ago. After he received a strongly worded letter, we never heard from him again, at least not to my knowledge.

Stacekat · #18 08-25-2005, 03:52 PM

I'm sorry you are having this problem! You aren't the first chapter to deal with this circumstance, and will certainly not be the last! Many chapters have problems with their members taking alumni status, however, they are still in college (or grad school) and are therefore still on the campus. In the past we have had problems with this issue. I hadn't thought of the whole by-law aspect but that is GENIOUS! That way it gets the active collegiates in on the reasoning and institution so that it doesn't become a continuous problem. It sounds like you need to write these particular members a letter stating that for liability purposes, they are not permitted to be in the chapter house unless they are invited for a particular chapter function. This is not a lie. Non members are not covered under your liability insurance. Even members aren't covered unless they have a housing contract or are there for a function of the fraternity. Try starting with a nice letter. There will be one or two members who it will be an ongoing problem with. However, just stand up for what is best for your chapter! You sound like you have started doing the correct thing!

KSUViolet06 · #19 08-25-2005, 05:52 PM

We have never banned alumnae from the house. They are sisters and are welcome on the property any time. Our only request is that they respect the property and the girls who live there.

Kevin · #20 08-25-2005, 05:58 PM

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Originally posted by JocelynC
We have never banned alumnae from the house. They are sisters and are welcome on the property any time. Our only request is that they respect the property and the girls who live there.

The thread is about an alum that does not respect the house.

Tom Earp · #21 08-25-2005, 06:11 PM

Alums are still Full Members Of Your National.

But, if they come down and disrespect Your Local Chapter, then they can be asked to leave. We had this happen, and He was force fully taken out.

If an Alum Member is there, it is as a guest and should represent them selves as such.

Some times New Alums feel that they are still to close to The Active Chapter.

It is still again, if one person disrupts the proceedings, then something needs to be done. They will get over it as other Alums will say, Hey Bro. You Screwed Up).

Trashing a House, Well, maybe an ass whiping?

There is no reason for that at all. We all as GLOs who have Houses Pay for them! Many times as in My Situation, We as Alums Have been paying for it, so why should some ass screw it up?

BSUPhiSig'92 · #22 08-25-2005, 06:23 PM

We had this problem a few years ago when I was president of our House Corp. We had one alumni who went nuts after his wife divorced him, and would periodically come by with his hooker girlfriends (seriously

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He came by the house one weekend (not an alumni function) and they caused so much trouble and damage the chapter called me and asked what to do. I told them to call the cops on him, and then the House Corporation voted at their next meeting to ban him from the house unless he straightened up his act, and then sent him a letter saying so. He never did, most brothers have since banned him from their own houses.

Tom Earp · #23 08-25-2005, 06:42 PM

BSUPhiSig'92, I take it is not the Norm?

Most Alums except the Newest Dont realize They are Alums.!!!!!!

Actually They Have somewhat Full Rights to come back. Trash The House. NO!

The Alums Do Not Run The Day To Day of Active Chapter.

Now, if the House Corp. Owns The House, then You report it to Them! They will handle it from there!!!!!!!!

Good Luck, It will Help showing That You Care!

ZZ-kai- · #24 08-25-2005, 06:56 PM

In our instance, this is a house rented by nine dudes, who put Beta letters on it. So, I guess it's the Beta house, but truly its a house rented by nine dudes. Which is why our HC is not 'really' involved in the leases. Don't get me wrong, our HC is active and participates heavily with the chapter, but we don't 'run' the physical house - it is landlord owned....

So, any alumni that thinks they can come back to 'their' house, really, in all legal aspects, cannot....know what I mean?

KSUViolet06 · #25 08-25-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
The thread is about an alum that does not respect the house.

Well I totally agree with telling the disrespectful alumni that if they can't respect the property, they can't come over.

cheesy · #26 08-25-2005, 07:46 PM

while we don't explicitly ban alumni from the house we have to hire security during homecoming. we've definitely had problems in the past...alumni seem to be attracted to fire extinguishers...

Kevin · #27 08-25-2005, 11:03 PM

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Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
In our instance, this is a house rented by nine dudes, who put Beta letters on it. So, I guess it's the Beta house, but truly its a house rented by nine dudes. Which is why our HC is not 'really' involved in the leases. Don't get me wrong, our HC is active and participates heavily with the chapter, but we don't 'run' the physical house - it is landlord owned....

So, any alumni that thinks they can come back to 'their' house, really, in all legal aspects, cannot....know what I mean?

Any alumnus.

In this case, it'd be up to whoever is the leaseholder. How you get this guy formally barred from entry is dependant on your state's laws though. You might just try asking him nicely and see how that goes

moe.ron · #28 08-26-2005, 05:49 AM

ZZ-kai-, just thought about this,

Since the rentals is with the invidiual brothers, why not, with the help of your lawyer brothers, have the individual brothers threaten to sue the maverick brothers?

ZZ-kai- · #29 08-26-2005, 08:51 AM

That's an option I guess. The thing is, they're pretty good guys, they're actually past Pres. and VP too....but then again, when they were in office, the chapter took a big shit...so, it doesn't surprise me. Anyway, they're always welcome to the house, it's just when they get destructive that it pisses us off. We'll get them, we're having a 'fix-it-up' weekend this weekend, and if they show, they're getting an earfull from me.

Lindz928 · #30 08-26-2005, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by cheesy
alumni seem to be attracted to fire extinguishers...

This made me laugh.