Can anyone help?

[alphaalpha]

Only quoting to make my point. Not arguing. I just wanted people to know what my post was in regards to.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by STL Kappa
In all fairness, there is no way out of this that is going to make this house "look good"... for breaking the rules, you should be held responsible for your actions, and personally I believe that these women should be upfront about what happened and what they're being punished for.

Obviously it will be embarassing for you girls to come out to everyone and say "Hey, we thought we were above the rules and guess what? We weren't." But you know what?? I think it could be a positive thing. Too often GLOs (and I know it only takes one chapter at one school to make Greeks EVERYWHERE look bad) think the rules don't apply to them. Unfortunately, there's always parties going on when there shouldn't be... for you to step forward to your campus, specifically your Greek community, and be honest could prove to be a huge reality check to other organizations that there are consequences to your actions.

As for this sorority in the first place... (not to spread the negativity) but if you went to my school, best case scenario you would be on social probation for the next year. And you're lucky nationals (or whoever your governing body may be) aren't pulling your charter. I find it disappointing that your school is even letting you come up "punishment suggestions"... what's the purpose in a campus being "dry" if the guilty parties come up with their own punishments?? You might as well just not enforce it at all...

Point is very well taken!

If a fooPa as it seems to be, maybe a lot over active, if against the regulations. well?

Yes, a lot depends on the School, but a lot depends on previous problems.

Why tobacco was brought up is unbeknownest to me.


Atoinement can be a good thing, but do it not because it has to be done to get a butt out of a sling, but because it needs to be done.

Mess up, correct, it effects us all as Greeks. But Remember, as Greeks, We are in the spot light!

[pinkyphimu]

maybe the community service that they perform is ineligeble to be counted towards their national/ collegiete requirements. in phi mu, we get "graded" on a variety of areas, including community service. if we did a ton of community service and weren't able to count it towards our philanthropy "score" it would not make up for losing points in the area of risk management.

[honeychile]

Have any of y'all ever been to a community mission which is mostly for homeless alcoholics? If you have, you instantly know what I'm suggesting - the smell, the sounds, the sights - they're all SO very bad that you will seriously reconsider ever drinking ANYTHING again!

So, why not have your entire sorority, and your entire guestlist, volunteer for one day a week at one of these shelters? This is the very best way to see up close and personal what happens to people who disregard the rules for the sake of a drink or two.

I'd also have at least one video camera going (if the shelter will allow you). Register the reaction of each sister as she gets her first whiff of dozens of homeless, stale alcoholics. Tape the reaction of the underage sister as she's screamed at by someone with dt's. Video the sisters as they clean up the "accidents", dole out the meals, change the beds, etc.

I guarantee that it will be a lesson that you'll never forget!!

Oh, and as for the full page ad: wouldn't that be against the campus Panhel rules? It would seriously damage Recruitment.

Originally posted by honeychile

Oh, and as for the full page ad: wouldn't that be against the campus Panhel rules? It would seriously damage Recruitment.

How do we know for sure that her sorority is an NPC? She's never specified her affiliation.

Regardless of Panhel rules, if these girls were concerned about their image for recruitment purposes, maybe they should have thought about that before they disregarded the rules.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by OohTeenyWahine
How do we know for sure that her sorority is an NPC? She's never specified her affiliation.

Regardless of Panhel rules, if these girls were concerned about their image for recruitment purposes, maybe they should have thought about that before they disregarded the rules.

Most true. I was mistakenly thinking about the part that, no matter what, every NPC can participate in full Recruitment.

[33girl]

Alcohol awareness programs = lame. Everyone's seen so many that they really don't make a dent.

Community service = very degrading to the people you'll be "servicing" to have to put up with a bunch of women who don't want to be there. I do not agree with community service (the kind where you interact with others not involved in your transgression that is) as a punishment under any circumstances.

Recruitment stuff = if the student body doesn't disapprove of what they did, it won't hurt them a bit.

Try volunteering to clean the dorms for a week - and the salaries that would have been paid to the cleaning people come out of your treasury. Let's get real, $$ and degredation are the ways to hit people where they live. This is the only punishment I can see being a real deterrent to other groups doing this - which is what the school really wants.