Cosby: It was mutual

[sunflower02]

Originally posted by stardusttwin

Lets keep this all in perspective - we DON't know what (if any) arrangement Mr. and Mrs. Cosby have - but he raised his kids in a two parent home and as far as I recall all of his kids went to college. This would include PTA meetings, and other educational responsibilities & involvement with his own children. Both parents are college educated and in addition give of their time, money & resources to provide educational opportunites for other children.

On Educational issues - Mr. Cosby is still alright with me.

Of course his kids went to college, he's BILL COSBY! He gives millions to colleges you betta believe he'll make his kids go to college. As far as the affair, that's between him and his maker where only his maker can forgive his sin and save his soul.

[allsmiles_22]

Originally posted by stardusttwin
I disagree with your example - all of a sudden an alleged situation is equivalent to ALL the ills wrong with our society? I'm not excusing infidelity but again that is a private matter. The difference between Mr. Cosby and Jesse Jackson is the REVEREND prefix. If you are going to be held up as a leader for God then yes you need to be held to a higher standard - apples and oranges.

Lets keep this all in perspective - we DON't know what (if any) arrangement Mr. and Mrs. Cosby have - but he raised his kids in a two parent home and as far as I recall all of his kids went to college. This would include PTA meetings, and other educational responsibilities & involvement with his own children. Both parents are college educated and in addition give of their time, money & resources to provide educational opportunites for other children.

On Educational issues - Mr. Cosby is still alright with me.

I didn't say his actions caused the ills of our society or compare him to Jesse Jackson. My point was don't think extramarital affairs (Cosby or whomever) are immaterial and have no effect on the family unit. How do these actions affect the views that a son may have toward commitments and respect for women or a daughter's trust in men? Yeah Cosby and his wife are both college educated and their kids were raised in a two-parent home, but this and similar households don't make life fine and dandy. That's what I was alluding to.

We can call it a private matter, but as with any public figure your business is prone to scrutiny. We can have a ball talking about someone's relationship, weave or outfit, but let's not discuss Cosby's indiscretions, it's private. The only thing alleged in this case is her being drugged since he admitted he touched her inappropriately.

Cosby should be praised for his educational endowments; he's doing what the alumni won't do. But I'm not questioning his credibility as far as giving back or saying he's going to hell for his actions. Whether it's Cosby, Jesse, R Kelly or a crack head preaching "do as I say not as I do", your credibility to your audience will be judged and your effectiveness can be hindered.

[sistarisin]

Originally posted by allsmiles_22
I didn't say his actions caused the ills of our society or compare him to Jesse Jackson. My point was don't think extramarital affairs (Cosby or whomever) are immaterial and have no effect on the family unit. How do these actions affect the views that a son may have toward commitments and respect for women or a daughter's trust in men? Yeah Cosby and his wife are both college educated and their kids were raised in a two-parent home, but this and similar households don't make life fine and dandy. That's what I was alluding to.

We can call it a private matter, but as with any public figure your business is prone to scrutiny. We can have a ball talking about someone's relationship, weave or outfit, but let's not discuss Cosby's indiscretions, it's private. The only thing alleged in this case is her being drugged since he admitted he touched her inappropriately.

Cosby should be praised for his educational endowments; he's doing what the alumni won't do. But I'm not questioning his credibility as far as giving back or saying he's going to hell for his actions. Whether it's Cosby, Jesse, R Kelly or a crack head preaching "do as I say not as I do", your credibility to your audience will be judged and your effectiveness can be hindered.

my thoughts exactly...

[Exquisite5]

To the two previous posters and those sharing in their sentiments:

Would your public condemnation (not the underlying opinion) of Mr. Cosby cease if you found out such public condemnation would cause him to cease to support the Black community and Black schools in the ways that he has?

I am not saying you should stop publicly condemning him or not (I am not disclosing my opinion in anyway), I am simply curious as to what you see as more important? I sincerely, want to know would you bite your tongue in order to ensure that he continue to financially and publicly support our schools if he told you public condemnation would cause him to stop? Do you feel that your public condemnation is more important than his support of schools? Is that "selling out"- is it sacrificing the trivial for the life-changing?

Just curious.

BILL COSBY HAS NOT SAID THE THINGS I REFERENCE IN THIS POST- I AM SIMPLY ASKING A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!

[Reds6]

Lets keep in mind that there is not quote made by Cosby's stating he had a relationship with this woman. I always raise an eyebrow when I hear "sources say."

[allsmiles_22]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
To the two previous posters and those sharing in their sentiments:

Would your public condemnation (not the underlying opinion) of Mr. Cosby cease if you found out such public condemnation would cause him to cease to support the Black community and Black schools in the ways that he has?

I am not saying you should stop publicly condemning him or not (I am not disclosing my opinion in anyway), I am simply curious as to what you see as more important? I sincerely, want to know would you bite your tongue in order to ensure that he continue to financially and publicly support our schools if he told you public condemnation would cause him to stop? Do you feel that your public condemnation is more important than his support of schools? Is that "selling out"- is it sacrificing the trivial for the life-changing?

Just curious.

BILL COSBY HAS NOT SAID THE THINGS I REFERENCE IN THIS POST- I AM SIMPLY ASKING A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!

Hypothetically, Cosby's says, "Since you guys are publicly bashing my private life I'm going to stop giving back to the community". You are wondering if I should say, "oh wait Cosby, your giving is much too important, I'll keep my opinion of your private business to myself"?

Umm, nope. If he did something like this, it would prove his intentions weren't genuine to begin with. I would think he'd want to follow his own advice by taking the constructive criticism and improving himself and those within his community.

Why is it he can air our dirty laundry but no one can air his?

For the record, I'm not disputing any comments he made about our community.

[Exquisite5]

Originally posted by allsmiles_22


Umm, nope. If he did something like this, it would prove his intentions weren't genuine to begin with. I would think he'd want to follow his own advice by taking the constructive criticism and improving himself and those within his community.

Why does it matter what his intentions are? His money spends the same regardless. A child still gets an education regardless. Law school is expensive, hayle- if he wants to give me money it wouldn't really matter to me who he was sexing.

Why is a child's education less important than airing dirty laundry?

[allsmiles_22]

Originally posted by Exquisite5
Why does it matter what his intentions are? His money spends the same regardless. A child still gets an education regardless. Law school is expensive, hayle- if he wants to give me money it wouldn't really matter to me who he was sexing.

Why is a child's education less important than airing dirty laundry?

People give money for two reasons-out of the goodness of their heart or for a tax benefit. If his intentions aren't morally motivated, he's going to do it regardless of some random person's opinion because it's less money he has to give Uncle Sam.

It's not less important and one doesn't have to be chosen over the other considering this is all hypothetical. Both actions can coexist. lol. He can still give all the while with his name on any media when he does wrong.

[sistarisin]

My purpose in posing the question was to understand whether or not the message he's trying to deliver to us is lessened by his actions in his personal life. From the very beginning, I never completely agreed with the message nor the method it was delivered (that's another discussion covered in another thread).

I believe that one of the purposes of his message was to put us on notice that we aren't raising our children right. I have to question his morals if he's not living by the same creed that he's preaching publicly to the masses. IMHO it's hypocritical.

I think that his philathropic deeds are totally separate from the scathing message he delivered. We only link the philanthropy to the message to justify why he should be able to publicly chastize us.

If Cosby was to decide that because of the public airing of his dirty laundry he no longer wanted to contribute to the education of youth, then I'd say his motives were not motivated in the true sense of providing an education for someone less fortunate. It would all be good PR; however, I do believe that his motives for funding scholarships are truly altruistic and not to promote his image. He's been doing it for years prior to his scathing message.

[Lady of Pearl]

It's unfortunate what has come to light about Bill Cosby, along with Jesse Jackson -I was at a youth forum and presented several books from the library on African American Leaders and no one chose Jesse Jackson I find that to be very interesting. Our youth are looking to those in leadership to be a moral example. I am saddened by Mr. Cosby's conduct, but as my Mom would say -he's just a man and human- we all have sinned and fell short of the glory of God!