Rain Man: 5 Years on GC; the Joe Pyne of BGLO Issues

[vanda]

I'm sorry RM, after all this time you will always be Rain Man, the guy with tons of game show knowledge who rocked a mullet.

[Steeltrap]

I am from Southern California and have heard of Joe Pyne. I'm not sure why anybody would want to pay homage to him, but ah, well.

[Rain Man]

5 YEARS ON GREEKCHAT! (1/26/00 - 1/26/05)

Your point(s) are well taken and well received.

I thought that after five years, I could revamp my image to something more definitive, but since others do not share my vision, I will revert back to the more familiar, the more comfortable, the more controversial...

RAIN MAN IS BACK!!!!

Having said that, now let's get back to the main issue: After 5 years on GC, do you think us regulars are on a more even keel on Greek (as well as other) issues, even after all the "flame wars" and riots that have erupted? Am I more or less accomodating of BGLO issues? Or is it b/c we are all a little bit older and a little bit wiser, we all just roll with the punches?

Your thoughts?

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man
5 YEARS ON GREEKCHAT! (1/26/00 - 1/26/05)

Your point(s) are well taken and well received.

I thought that after five years, I could revamp my image to something more definitive, but since others do not share my vision, I will revert back to the more familiar, the more comfortable, the more controversial...

Revamp your image to satisfy (insert names)?
Forget them. If you know in your heart of hearts RM is who you REALLY are, the others do not matter.

As long as you are TRUE to yourself everyone else's perception(s) is/are not relevant. You have to look at you in the mirror, we do not.
RAIN MAN IS BACK!!!!

Having said that, now let's get back to the main issue: After 5 years on GC, do you think us regulars are on a more even keel on Greek (as well as other) issues, even after all the "flame wars" and riots that have erupted? Am I more or less accomodating of BGLO issues? Or is it b/c we are all a little bit older and a little bit wiser, we all just roll with the punches?

Your thoughts?

I think it's the latter. We all will NEVER be on an even keel, even if we are in the SAME organizations or not.




Rolling with the punches

[Honeykiss1974]

Just continue to be who you are Rain Man.

[Rain Man]

…starting with the very first GC post back on June 26, 2000:

Topic: How were calls started in BGLOs"

Interested GDI and alsoCurious, if you are still interested, email me at rainmain1925@hotmail.com and I will give you basic information. I am not at liberty to discuss GLO specifics, but I will give you enough to wet your appetite. I am not above giving you the basics. Thanx for asking.

Rain Man

Here was my 2nd post dated July 7, 2000:

Topic: NPHC BGLO's how do you feel about non NPHC BGLO's

Since this discussion has begun to center around Alpha Phi Omega/A Phi Q, I found it only fitting for me to put in my $19.25.

I pledged Alpha Phi Omega in 1992 and presently serve as an alumni brother. While I did not pledge at an HBCU, my pledging was very similar (the chapter was an all-black-male chapter).

Yes, the "A-Phi-Qs" step, has hand signs and calls, etc. We also recognize Gamma Sigma Sigma as our sister sorority (the "mainstream" brothers by & large do not).

I say all that to say this: I wholeheartedly commend the members of Pan Hell GLOs who respect and treat brothers from non-Pan-Hell GLOs, be it black (Gamma Phi Eta, Phi Delta Psi, Xi Gamma Phi, Delta Psi Epsilon), or mainstream (Alpha Phi Omega, Gamma Sigma Sigma, Kappa Kappa Psi, Tau Beta Sigma, Phi Mu Alpha).

While I do not personally have any beef with members of any of the Pan Hell GLOs (I am treated like family locally), I have came to the conclusion that based on prior experience (reading numerous guestbooks, chat room debates, personal discussions, etc), the NPHC as a whole tends to have a very cocky, aloof, arrogant, and sometimes beaugarde-ish (sp?) attitude when it comes to dealing with non-NPHC GLOs (An exception to this case would be Iota Phi Theta; IMHO Iota having dealt with similar experiences prior to being an NPHC member may have humbled them significantly. And this disrespect sickens me to the Nth degree. No one GLO is superior to another. I have been to social functions hosted by and primarily for non NPHC members where an NPHC org would show up and just start beaugardeing the brothers/sisters. Fights may not start, but tension was definately in the air.

Currently there is another Black Greek Council called the National Greek Alliance (NGA), but I don't think it will be as big as the NPHC on a grand scale. The consensus of most of the member orgs pretty much share my aforementioned concern. The common denominator on all these orgs founding was that they didn't agree with what the NPHC orgs on campus were doing at the time

Don't get me wrong. I support all NPHC organizations and their purposes. I plan on joining an alumni chapter of a NPHC org someday, so I am not anti-NPHC. I am anti-arrogant-attitude-that-comes-from-NPHC.

Thank you to all those who have showed me and my frat & other fraternities and sororities like us love. It was not in vain.

I'm outta here

Da Rain Man

"To business, to business, to business...."

-A very tipsy Alex Trebek on the last
episode of High Rollers (6/20/80)

More historical/hysterical posts to come...

[AKA2D '91]

Originally posted by Rain Man
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More historical/hysterical posts to come... [/B]

Please don't. Pleasssssssssssssssseeee! LOL

[gamma_girl52]

I almost forgot he was a brother.

Other than that, RM do you! Whatever that may be...

[Rain Man]

Here is one of the first times that I have incorporated game show lingo into my posts. "Listen" to this exchange b/t myself and Deltabrat regarding the "Incorporated" status:

[quote]Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
Here we go, again. Rain Man. WHy is it that every time someone asks a question of BGLO practices/standards, you act as if though your is the only qualified answer. I find it intersting (check it out on other posts) that when people ask questions that really don't pertain to or many BGLO members don't feel "qualified" to answer, we just shut up.
I think the members of BGLOs answered the questions appropriately without you further agitating the situation with the "why?" comments.

Additionallyy, how come one or two people say something to you and you go and roast the entire NPHC. For you to say that we say the Incorporated arrogantly is crazy. Or that someone in a BGLO said that Alphi Chi Omega isn't real because they aren't incorporated so that somehow implicates all of us.

Tell you what, I personally don't care if you are or aren't incorporated. I know who is. And my Soror 12dn4dst gave a very good answer to KappaGirl in that at the time our organizations were incorporated, not many Black organizations were accomplishing such things as easily as white organizations. Therefore, we are proud of our incorporated status.

Just my thoughts, sweetie.

To my Sisters and Brothers in Greekdom Peace out!

OH YEAH, AND A BIG

OOOOOOO-OOP to my Sorors of *clearing my throat*

DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, IIIIIINNNNNCORPORATED!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by Rain Man
Deltabrat, I only have 2 points to make and I'm gonna wrap this up:

1. It's one thing to show pride in an achievement, eg being incorporated, getting a degree, etc., but it's another to shove that title or status in everyone else's face and to force them to accept it. It only harbors resentment and feeds a spirit of rebellion. Whether you worked hard for it or not is no excuse and is of no consequence.

2. (and this is PURE IRONY) First you said that for me to say that [NPHCers] use the Incorporated arrogantly is crazy. You ended your post by saying "Delta.....INNNCOOORPORATED" in that very same arrogant tone I was telling you about.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

PING *trilon (flippy box) on Level 6 reveals a "Whew" logo indicating a sucessful win for Rain Man as "Whew" fanfare plays*
(Another "Whew" thang, yall)

Da Rain Man
*stepping from the green "charger" podium ready to take on the Gauntlet of Villians*

And Deltabrat's hilarious response here:

Rain Man:

C'mon homie. To say that that was arrogant is plain nuts! You cannot see me, my facial expressions or other non-verbal gestures. The arrogance that you speak of is simply YOUR INTERPRETATION of it because you don't understand it. You are entitled to your opinion and I respect it, but you cannot say that I or the way I say something is arrogant based on the way I typed it. That is ludicrous. So your point hasn't been proven.

Peace out.

Oh yeah, and blank bloom blip and a *wink* and wince or whatever else, too.

Oh, and cash78mere, my humblest apologies for that mistake. See what happens when people speak on things they don't know much about?

OUT!

[Rain Man]

Little did I know that after winning the 2001 Greekchat Oscars with co-recipients Original Ape and Bobby Earl for Most Witty Male did I realize that sharing the stage with him in accepting the award was nothing short of a Source Award moment waiting to happen

Here is a classic Bobby Earl v. Rain Man moment.

Topic: Nupe vs. Kappa


quote:
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Originally posted by Rain Man
Bobby Earl, was that insult really necessary?

A simple "It's a long story" would have sufficed. It was neither necessary nor justifiable to slam someone like that the way you did.

Since you hold founder Elder Watson Diggs in such high regard, I bet you wouldn't have done that if he was behind you watching you as type the response you did.

Now you know why people don't respect Greeks, b/c Greeks don't respect people (or themselves). This is a prime example.

So much for Greeks setting the example and being our future leaders of tomorrow.....


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Originally posted by Bobby Earl

GREEK CHAT,

I've been a little busy. Sorry it took me so long to handle this dude.


A SIMPLE "LONG STORY" suffices for you, because you are not a DAMN nupe. It's amazing how many "Wanna be" kappas can tell you how and what you should do or say.

AGAIN, it was a DUMB question. If he really wants to know what the difference is between a kappa and a nupe, he can pledge and find out. Or he can go to an interest meeting, red light special, or party and pretend that he is one (like you). Either way, if you have not been on that wall, then the answer to the question is none of your business!

As far your cheap rhetor about Greeks, it is not my fault that the brothers at OSU, or wherever you went to school, didn't let you kross the sandz. GROW UP! DEAL WITH IT! MOVE ON... RAINBOY! That's right, I called you a boy, because a man would mind his own damn business.

Also, people do respect greeks. If they didn't respect greeks, there wouldn't be little busters like you riding the jocks of every frat in Greek Chat. I bet you go to the internet and the library everyday to find out how much more information you can learn about a FRAT that will never accept your little fairy __.

BUT ON A GOOD NOTE, THERE IS A KAPPA SWEETHEART LINE KOMING OUT IN THE SUMMER, I CAN PUT IN A GOOD WORD FOR YOU, OK?

Originally posted by Rain Man
Ok, Bobby Earl, let's duel!

Responses by paragraph:

P1: It's not about whether or not you are a NUPE or Kappa! It's about representing your frat as a gentleman and as a diplomatic future leader of tomorrow, not like some flip-mouthed ghetto-ized gang member. C'mon now don't even use your frat in such a low-down dirty manner to justify such childish behavior. You are much smarter than that. I know that you were not taught to represent Kappa in that manner. But then again you may have dozed off during that session. You gotta come to me a little better than that.

P2: Why is it that Greeks can preach discretion but not practice it themselves? Even if it was a dumb question, you should have had the maturity as a Greek to tactfully respond. Hence, you threw all sense of DISCRETION out of the window. BTW, one criteria of KAP is MATURITY!

P3: Who says that I have a chip in my shoulder about the OSU Kappas? I did not, not do I now have an issue with the OSU Kappas. Now I did have an issue with the Central State Kappas b/c they didn't do ANYTHING productive while on campus servicewise. They just thought they could charm and bulljive their way through school while riding on the coattails of CSU President Arthur Thomas, a Kappa (who got fired by the end of the year for not TCBing) and Sean Henry, then Student Gov't President, also a Kappa. But that's another story altogether. So believe it or not, my experiences with the Kappas are HISTORY!!!

P4: SO WHAT? Even if it is true, the only benefit you will get from knowing this is some cheap bragging rights. So what's your point?

P5: Gee, Wally, I mean Bobby Earl, wouldja do that for me? That would be SWELL!!!

*Rain Man walks offstage shaking head and laughing at this whole scene*

WHATEVA!!

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by Steeltrap
I am from Southern California and have heard of Joe Pyne. I'm not sure why anybody would want to pay homage to him, but ah, well.

Steeltrap,

Joe Pyne is the granddaddy of controversial talk TV. Without him, there would be no Jerry Springer Show, or O'Reilly Factor, or Rush Limbaugh, or Morton Downey Jr. Show, or Wally George Show (aka Hot Seat).

Joe Pyne is the original confrontation artist, and he was a well-seasoned pro who could see the weaknesses in his guests' dialogue and could attack accordingly. He was sharp, he was merciless, and he straight up didn't give a freak what anyone else said about it--JUST LIKE ME!!

I'm tellin' y'all, check out his story @ TVParty.com (see link in initial post).

[Rain Man]

Here is the article (link @ initial post):

WARNING: Rather lengthy, but IMHO a good read:

Radio broadcaster Joe Pyne was the first outraged, outspoken, right-wing voice on national television, the father of modern conservative talk shows; blazing a path for Morton Downey, Jr., Wally George, Jerry Springer, Dennis Miller, Chris Matthews, Michael Savage and the rest.

Never one to avoid controversy, Pyne claimed to keep a loaded gun in his desk drawer - and no wonder with the kooks he (or more accurately, the TV cameras) attracted.

Joe developed his confrontational persona in 1949, when he discovered his audience on WILM Radio in Wilmington, Delaware got more excited when he raged on about local and national injustices. A companion TV program, the first Joe Pyne Show, debuted in 1954, broadcast locally on WDEL-TV, Channel 12.

After a move to the West Coast in 1957, Pyne promptly made a name for himself in Riverside, CA when he busted up a high school drug ring on his radio program. Within weeks, this notoriety led to a local LA television program on KTLA.

With the success of the LA show, Pyne moved his TV program back to the Delaware Valley (WVUE-TV in Philadelphia) in the fall of 1958.

He returned to Los Angeles when Metromedia offered him a local weekly LA slot and a nationally syndicated program in 1965.

The two-hour syndicated gabfest was filmed at KTTV-11 (now FOX-11) studios, located in the recently defunct Metromedia Square. The Joe Pyne Show started airing on three stations, Saturday nights around 11:30pm. Within a year, 85 stations around the country (like Channel 8 in Tulsa and Channel 48 in Philadelphia) signed up. His radio program was being heard in 254 markets as well, he was the number-one morning guy in LA in 1966.

Perched on a set awash in cigarette smoke, Joe hosted a wide assortment of colorful visitors, anyone who had a weird story (like being abducted by aliens or having seen Bigfoot) or possessing an extreme point of view (against the war or for Women's Lib).

He would often start out an interview with an insult to get his targets off-guard and flustered. One of the most famous tales about The Joe Pyne Show involved the wooden leg he earned from service in WWII.

An exchange between Joe and musician Frank Zappa went like this:
Pyne: "So I guess your long hair makes you a woman."
Zappa: "So I guess your wooden leg makes you a table!"

Pyne was smart enough to recognize the public was ready for a tabloid television experience, he was there to deliver it first.

The Joe Pyne Show opened up with 'gripers' in the 'Beef Box,' where people from the studio audience could, apparently unscreened, bitch about whatever they liked.

The program drew LA area locals for the assemblage, so naturally there were a good number of nuts out there. For instance, in this clip, a hippie (Pyne hated hippies) speaks out against the slaughtering of animals - naturally, Joe uses him as an object of ridicule.

During the interviews, Joe played up to his audience which consisted largely of older folks and arch-conservatives who were unwavering in their support of the war in Viet Nam, their disgust for hippies, atheists, and the Women's movement, and their utter contempt for the minimum wage law, affirmative action and any other progressive cause that threatened to bring on a frightening liberal humankind.

Joe Pyne was knowledgeable on a wide range of issues and could speak with restraint and reason. At the same time, he would be condescendingly insulting and occasionally course when he'd had enough of a guest.

That's when he gave the audience what they came for - the proverbial fight at the hockey game. The congregation erupted in cheers whenever Pyne ended a segment with a roll of his eyes, a sideways glance, and his famous invective, "take a walk!" You see that same spirit alive today with Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly's catch phrase, "Shut Up!"

There was nothing Pyne loved more than baiting inexperienced guests, openly ridiculing those he disagreed with, providing them with enough rope to hang themselves - if not by a preponderance of the evidence then at least by unraveling their nerves on the air.

Critics accused Joe Pyne of bullying his guests, but he couldn't be faulted for being a keen manipulator who took advantage of his mastery of a medium that few were savvy in. TV hadn't been around very long, after all.

Life magazine commented, "His manner is that of a barroom tough who invites his quarry to pull up a chair and sit down. Five minutes later, the poor lummox is apt to feel like he has been slapped into a corner with his tie ripped off."

After Joe got in his licks, he would turn to 'the dock' to give individuals from the now-outraged crowd their chance to grill the guests - and fling their own pious put-downs. Pyne was unapologetic about his approach, "I'm not a nice guy, and I don't want to be. I have no respect for anyone who would come on my show."

Say what you will about Pyne's confrontational tone; in all fairness, he did give his guests time to make their point and for that reason he attracted many serious guests. The LA Times wrote, "No one conducts the straight, hard-hitting interview as well as Joe Pyne, the master showman of the talk realm."

The Joe Pyne Show was so popular that NBC tapped him to host a daytime game show during the summer of 1966, Showdown.

This unusual game teamed Joe with a rock group and six contestants in a primitive version of Nickelodeon's Double Dare. Without the controversial exchanges, audiences tuned out for Showdown, preferring the show that replaced it - Hollywood Squares starring Peter Marshall.

In 1966, Pyne could be seen in a ridiculous movie entitled Mother Goose A Go-Go and in 1967's The Love-Ins, playing himself interviewing a hippie LSD advocate.

Thirty-five years ago, race was rarely discussed on commercial television.

A careful examination of one episode of The Joe Pyne Show from 1968 offers us a peephole into the past; an opportunity to look at how race was discussed on TV in the mid-sixties, and a glimpse into to the very origins of one of the most infamous organizations of all time (see left).

Joe Pyne wasn't exactly a champion for civil rights. He was suspended for a week when he pulled a gun out in front of a Black guest during the Watts riots period. In one of Pyne's last shows, taped shortly after the murder of Dr. Martin Luther King in 1968, two guests debated distinctly opposite political views.

On one side was Rev. E. Freeman Yearling, a representative of the John Birch Society offshoot TACT (Truth About Civil Turmoil).

This organization was promoting the concept of "the responsible Negro." They were determined to see to it that Dr. Martin Luther King, Huey Newton, Ralph Abernathy, Malcolm X and other prominent civil rights leaders of the era were not glorified.

On the other side of the debate was Mr. L. C. Wheeler, activist and founding member of the 'Black Cat Bones.' Wheeler described his group this way, "Those who know don't say, those that say don't know."

The guests entered into a spirited discourse about race and the role of Black leaders in America, post-Martin Luther King.


:RACE BAITING 101:

Joe Pyne did his usual provocative probing on this program, insisting that Rev. Yearling identify himself with an established label - Black American, Afro-American, Negro, whatever. African-American (or Afro-American) was considered a radical designation at the time.

Rev. Yearling also sparred with Pyne about his recent 'termination' from the Metropolitan Baptist Church, all the while trying to make his point that forced integration of schools and neighborhoods was wrong.

Wheeler vehemently disagreed, "Make up your mind. Now, we can't solve it by integrating, we can't solve it by segregating, what are we gonna do? Die?"

"My first and final concern, is the preservation of the individual rights of all Americans," Rev. Yearling declared, voicing the John Birch party line. "Now, the choice we face in this country is not between colors. It is not between Black and White, it is not between Black power and White power, compulsory segregation and compulsory integration. The real choice is between Americanism and world Communism."

Wheeler accused Rev. Yearling of being an Uncle Tom puppet of the Right Wing; "In other words, they're running a Winchell and Mahoney, or should I say, Richard and Willie act. Do you see what I mean? The Right Wing is Paul Winchell, in this sense, and he's Jerry Mahoney. He's the little Negro colored boy dummy, that they're moving, they're working his mouth... and this sucker is speaking against all the Black movements which have brought us progress."

Wheeler's approach to debate veered from well-informed to insulting (twice calling Rev. Yearling, "Reverend Doctor Colored Boy") but he ventured into even choppier waters when he pointed to what he saw was the fundamental problem in American society - "(Yearling) has Zionism mixed up with communism. I'm referring to the Jewish conspiracy to enslave the world - ever since them Zionist killed Jesus Christ, Jews have been causing trouble."

The audience roared with disapproval; don't think that statement didn't raise a hackle with some of the little old Jewish ladies in the audience!

One must wonder why Pyne invited these two particular individuals to debate on his program, but it was just that kind of audacious broadcasting that Joe Pyne delivered to a hungry nation for three years.

A chain smoker, Joe was diagnosed with lung cancer at the peak of his career. After broadcasting from his home for a period, Joe gave up his shows in 1969. He was only 44 when he succumbed to Lung Cancer on March 23, 1970.

Joe Pyne ended each show with his signature signoff, "Good night everybody. Straight ahead!"




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TVparty-er
Leon Malinofsky
tells us:
"I remember Joe Pyne's TV show from 1967 - 1969. I caught it on one of the UHF stations out of Boston, probably Channel 38. He was merciless to charlatans and sloppy thinkers (usually liberal). Two particular interchanges I remember:
"1. A fortune-teller or swami of some kind, complete with turban, was a guest. Joe asked him a few questions about his "mystic abilities," and then lowered the boom. "Didn't you tell my makeup man back stage not five minutes ago that this was all an act? That you put on this turban and told your story and "they all went for it?"

"The hapless swami protested, but Joe wouldn't let up. He ripped up the fellow's "reputation" with a kind of grim relish, the look in his eyes something like you might imagine you'd see on the face of an army medic reaching into a wound to pull out a piece of shrapnel. Job completed, Joe told the fellow "you make me sick" and invited him to "take a hike".

"THIS WAS DYNAMITE STUFF-- NO ONE had ever seen or heard that style of interview before.

"2. One show, I think, was on gluttons, drug users, or other persons who abused their health. A woman stepped up to the Beef Box and said to Joe "You're a hypocrite! How do you explain those cigarettes you're smoking, Mr. Pyne?"

"While I don't recall Pyne's exact answer, I remember it was kind of lame-- and Joe acknowledged that in a rare insight into his personality and style: Almost apologetically, to the audience after the woman stepped down, he said, "Well, I had to get out of that somehow" -- exposing the game for just a moment.

"As a wounded war vet with a prosthetic leg, Pyne had unique license to rip up fools, parasites, and the self-indulgent. What an amazing original, at least two decades ahead of his time. I'll bet Rush Limbaugh used to be a listener, and was powerfully impressed."


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"Thanks for posting the interesting feature on Joe Pyne.
"I was only 14 when he died, so I kind of came in on the "tail end" of his outrageous career, but I grew up in southern California and I do remember his TV and radio shows. I remember late one night, I was listening to him on the radio (it might have been early morning--I had a paper route) and he had some black guy on there who kept referring to himself as a "slave," and referring to all black people as "slaves."

"Naturally, Pyne wasn't going to sit still for that, and he ultimately challenged the guy with, "If you're a slave, I should be able to sell you!" This went back and forth until Pyne finally threw down the gauntlet and said, "Let's do this--let's go out on the sidewalk and I'll see if I can get anybody to make an offer on you!"

"When they went to a commercial break, Pyne's out-tro line was, "This is Joe Pyne taking Ernie Smith out on the sidewalk to see what I can get for him!"

"Outrageous. And soooo '60s."

- Kelley Dupuis


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"As a teenager, I loved to watch "The Joe Pyne Show" on Channel 8 here in Tulsa for the weirdos he frequently had as guests.
"Joe Pyne functioned as a corrosively skeptical Art Bell, bringing on out-and-out cranks, drawing them out and and poking fun at them in his deadpan way. I remember one guest with a shaved head (not so common in 1968) and wearing a ceremonial robe who would periodically retract his eyelids for a moment. I can't remember if his shtick was being a Messiah or an interstellar visitor.

"Joe was such a put-down artist, it was a thrill to see him meet his match. David Susskind, who had his own controversial talk show, cheerfully batted away Pyne's barbs. F. Lee Bailey (well-known then as the attorney of Dr. Sam Shepard, the real life model for Dr. Richard Kimble on "The Fugitive") made Pyne look like a monkey, to my delight.

"The audience members who stepped into the "Beef Box" were often as freaky as the guests. It seemed difficult to make any points against Pyne from this precarious perch, since Pyne usually wound up telling them to "take a hike". I must be getting old; I don't enjoy any of today's rabble-rousers as much as I did Joe Pyne."

- Mike Ransom


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"I took a lot of ribbing because I had the same name but spelled differently. He was Joe Pyne and I am Joe Pine. But it sounded the same! To this day, people that remember him still ask me if I am related etc.
"I remember writing him in 1973 telling him about the hassles I got from my friends and how it was his "fault" hoping that maybe we could meet and/or get on his show. Unfortunately, whether he received my letter or not, died from cancer.

"The one legacy that I received from him during the fall semester of my freshman year (1969) in college (much to my dismay) was that the dorm I was residing in ( my friends and I still believe was the basis for the movie Animal House) was that the Dorm Mother had made a game of everyone figuring out everyone's name to get each dorm resident to know each other. Well, for the Joe Pyne aficionados, who are aware of the Beef Box on the show, the Dorm Mom gave as a clue to me, the French translation of beef box as a clue to me.

"After that, my team mates on the football team called me Beef Box (although I earned the nick name of "The Kodiak". The name should explain itself). I did get to share the Beef Box moniker with a J.C. transfer who was much bigger than me and a J.C. transfer smaller than me. We respectively became Big Beefer, Beef Box/ Beefer, and Little Beefer.

"On the whole, Howard Stern does not hold a candle to Joe Pyne, the original shock jock, who started it all."

- Dr. C J Pine

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by Rain Man
Steeltrap,

Joe Pyne is the granddaddy of controversial talk TV. Without him, there would be no Jerry Springer Show, or O'Reilly Factor, or Rush Limbaugh, or Morton Downey Jr. Show, or Wally George Show (aka Hot Seat).

Joe Pyne is the original confrontation artist, and he was a well-seasoned pro who could see the weaknesses in his guests' dialogue and could attack accordingly. He was sharp, he was merciless, and he straight up didn't give a freak what anyone else said about it--JUST LIKE ME!!

I'm tellin' y'all, check out his story @ TVParty.com (see link in initial post).

RM, I did read it. Actually found it interesting. But as a person who likes peace and civility, was brought up in a very polite, mannerly household and kind of looks down on Jerry Springer and his ilk (unless I need a sick laugh ), I don't see being the granddaddy of controversial talk TV as necessarily something positive. But we can agree to disagree.

[starang21]

Originally posted by Joe Pyne
I guess I left my brains on the kitchen table at home, but..

What skills? What game? What are you talking about?

fudge....

you're mack, your game, you ability to charm the panties off of a woman.

smh.......

[starang21]

Originally posted by Rain Man
5 YEARS ON GREEKCHAT! (1/26/00 - 1/26/05)

Your point(s) are well taken and well received.

I thought that after five years, I could revamp my image to something more definitive, but since others do not share my vision, I will revert back to the more familiar, the more comfortable, the more controversial...

RAIN MAN IS BACK!!!!

Having said that, now let's get back to the main issue: After 5 years on GC, do you think us regulars are on a more even keel on Greek (as well as other) issues, even after all the "flame wars" and riots that have erupted? Am I more or less accomodating of BGLO issues? Or is it b/c we are all a little bit older and a little bit wiser, we all just roll with the punches?

Your thoughts?

revamp an image on the net?

what the hell?