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09-12-2006, 03:56 PM
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So if we DON'T sing or approve of the altered version, it's NOT our beloved organization?
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No no no!! That is exactly the sentiment I am trying to refute!
I am trying to say that is it not just GoldnBlue2004's beloved organization, it is all of ours, 33girl's, DeltaPyrite's, GoldnBlue's, and every other member's in response to his preposterous statement that "the words that you all sing in your chapter is disrespectful to my beloved organization." He is trying to appropriate APO for himself... in your own words: "What the???"
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The difference is those "two or three words" are two or three VERY IMPORTANT words.
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I agree that they are VERY IMPORTANT. That's why I think they should change to reflect the important and significant growth of the fraternity rather than stagnating with a policy that is 95.29% dead and has been out of commission for 30 years.
I am not PC to the gazillionth power, but I do find the crude, sexual lyrics put to the tune of our Toast Song far more offensive than alterations which are made respectfully and in the spirit of the current policies and aims of the fraternity. Is that off base?
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09-12-2006, 04:32 PM
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Like I said, I've heard that song before, and it isn't to the tune of our Toast Song. The Kellerman's song from Dirty Dancing is, though.
I just think when you change the word "brother" to "friend" or "member" or "true to" you're making a very important statement, and IMO it's not that "we are gender inclusive" - it's "this is a club, not a fraternity." I feel the same way about some of the things in my sorority, FWIW - there are times when we say "member" when I really think we should say (and mean) "sister."
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01-04-2005, 09:35 AM
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Well, I can't say that I've ever actually heard these sung, but rather found them here...
http://www.martinek.us/humor/songs.html , from Epsilon Lambda at Michigan Tech. The few brothers I have met from up there tended to have an odd sense of humor.
The tune certainly isn't originally ours.
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01-04-2005, 09:37 AM
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The Toast Song is not going to change so you should leave it be. Brother such as myself is not gonna allow for such an event to take place. Alsom going back to the words that you all sing in your chapter (since you all are female) is disrespectful to my beloved organization. As I have stated before, there is a diversity issue in Alpha Phi Omega. Some people make a it a fraternity while others (like yourself) is trying to make it into a fraority and that is not what it is.
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01-04-2005, 11:42 AM
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OK, now *that* is a bit harsh.
First of all, lurker's chapter is not *all* female, if you look at his original posting. And from what I understand from the National Office, there are now more women as active brothers in the fraternity than men. (Obviously more male alumni than female and the percentage of men who pledge is higher than those who initiate which is higher than those who stay active).
In some ways its humorous in that people like Jesse Bridges feel that the requirement that all chapters (especially to him, the HBCUs) activate/reactivate co-ed in his mind has already pushed us to being a Frarority.
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01-04-2005, 12:03 PM
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I knew that would come off as meaner than I meant it to be, and I apologize. My chapter has always been coed (chartered in 1976) and we never had a problem with saying "brothers." It just seems to me that someone who does have that big of an issue with it is the one who is in APO for the wrong reason.
Changing the toast song or adding verses is not something approved by nationals. Period. (Unofficial songs are a different matter - every sorority and fraternity has them) Honestly, why don't you just get rid of the use of "brothers" period and change it to "members?"  That's the slippery slope we will slide down if things like this start getting changed.
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01-04-2005, 12:20 PM
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My only issue with the Toast Song is, as Randy (Naraht) indicated, we legally cannot claim it as our own, as the tune was created and copyrighted by a non-brother, we just "borrowed" the tune and put our own lyrics in it. So in a sense, we are plagurising the "Toast Song" tune.
Rather that scrapping the Toast Song entirely, I would recommend someone come up with a tune original to Alpha Phi Omega with lyrics suitable for all brothers, and make that the official fraternity song, and make the Toast Song the unofficial song. That way, the Toast Song can be sung any way the chapter involved so desires, and the Fraternity song can be truly claimed as our own, and most likely no objections should arise.
I have heard this online debate on the Toast Song for 10 years, and I am surprised that no one thought to add a 2nd song.
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01-04-2005, 12:39 PM
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new song
For those of you not at NatCon, and those of you there might have missed this - nearing the conclusion of the final legislative session, a resolution was put forth by the (now former) Region II Director, Craig Muckle, to look at writing a new song, since this Toast Song as it's currently sung (both officially and non-officially) has become more divisive than unifying.
The resolution did not pass.
In fact, there was a motion to table this resolution indefinitely. That motion passed.
So, even tho the idea of a new song was proposed, it went down in flames and was in fact tabled indefinitely. Will this come up again in Louisville? Of course it will....
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01-04-2005, 02:47 PM
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Not Even!!!!!!!!
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01-04-2005, 02:53 PM
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2004 Convention Choir
To hear the Toast Song, as sung by the 2004 Convention Choir:
http://www.apor3.org/images/2004Conv...OToastSong.mp3
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01-15-2007, 03:59 PM
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I am glad the Toast Song didn't get changed. I like tradition and I came into this Fraternity knowing that everyone was referred to as a Brother (which to me is an inclusive term) and I love being called a Brother. I think when we get to the point of pointing out the difference in the gender of our members, we begin to focus on issues besides Leadership, Friendship and Service. It does not matter what gender you are - everyone being Brothers puts us all on the same level.
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01-15-2007, 10:00 PM
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I am glad the Toast Song didn't get changed. I like tradition and I came into this Fraternity knowing that everyone was referred to as a Brother (which to me is an inclusive term) and I love being called a Brother. I think when we get to the point of pointing out the difference in the gender of our members, we begin to focus on issues besides Leadership, Friendship and Service. It does not matter what gender you are - everyone being Brothers puts us all on the same level.
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In order of preference, I'd prefer the current situation followed by adding Epsilon Mu's third verse followed by changes to the first two verses. Show me an extension effort where our toast song trips them up and I'll be OK with approved alternate wording in places where the administration has cattle over the idea...
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04-30-2007, 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tbdumpsterdiver
I am glad the Toast Song didn't get changed. I like tradition and I came into this Fraternity knowing that everyone was referred to as a Brother (which to me is an inclusive term) and I love being called a Brother. I think when we get to the point of pointing out the difference in the gender of our members, we begin to focus on issues besides Leadership, Friendship and Service. It does not matter what gender you are - everyone being Brothers puts us all on the same level.
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AMEN! The Toast Song does NOT need to be changed at all! We are ALL members of Alpha Phi Omega, we are ALL BROTHERS! Why change something that has become a sign of equalness! No words need to be written, no words need to be changed.
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04-30-2007, 06:17 PM
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I really wish Zeta Phi had sent delegates to convention so that your voices could have been heard.
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05-02-2007, 04:31 AM
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Toast song history.
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AMEN! The Toast Song does NOT need to be changed at all! We are ALL members of Alpha Phi Omega, we are ALL BROTHERS! Why change something that has become a sign of equalness! No words need to be written, no words need to be changed.
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Remember, it has been changed before *and* the toast song doesn't date back to the founding 14 brothers. First verse was proposed by a brother of Iota chapter (U of Iowa) in 1931 and the second verse by a brother of Epsilon Mu (U of Maryland, College Park) in the 1963/1964. Having said that, I am in favor of no change.
There have been *rumors* that university administrations have denied us the ability to expand onto their campuses because of the phrasing, but I have not seen anything specific. Should that prove true, I would probably swing to supporting some sort of alternate *local* phrasing which can be used if necessary (like the alternate pledging process).
Also, there are a few chapters which have chosen to go with local phrasing on their own. I don't believe any action has been taken against them.
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