Putting one of your glos about another

[NutBrnHair]

Let's see -- I think the educational honorary I was in as an undergrad was Kappa Delta Epsilon?? Is that right? Hmmm...I really am not sure.

I know the history honorary I joined in grad school was Phi Alpha Theta because I have my membership certificate on my office wall. (I chose only to order the certificate when given multiple options at my first & only meeting following "initiation" -- a sweet little service where the officers read out of Duo Tang folders.)

[kddani]

I'm an intiated member of Kappa Delta, Phi Alpha Delta, Phi Eta Sigma, Omicron Delta Kappa, whatever Mortar Board's letters are, and probably others that i'm forgetting. I mean, i've got a lot of love to give, but splitting it up that many ways kinda cuts down.

Maybe instead of criticizing/complaining about members of NPC orgs caring more about their orgs than others they're involved in, a better approach would be to figure out what those other orgs are lacking and what they can do to improve those areas

[valkyrie]

I belonged to a law fraternity and all we did was keep an outline file. Other than that, we all got drunk once and taked shit about everyone -- but that's not really the basis for me loving my law fraternity as much as I love my NPC fraternity.

[PhiPsiRuss]

The title doesn't even make sense. Think about it.

[sairose]

Originally posted by AOII_LB93
It very well may be that their NPC/NPHC/MC is more important to them, or that is the one they identify themselves with more. How can you love them both equally if they both mean something different to you and their rituals and traditions are different?

Co-sign. To be honest, I don't see any way you COULD belong to more than one sorority/fraternity and NOT like one a little more than the other, for whatever reason. One of my SAI sisters is in two other GLOs (an NPC and a service), and she confided in me that she actually likes SAI the best, because she identifies with us better since she is a music major. Does this mean she loves the sisters in her other organizations any less? No. SHe loves those groups, too, but it's just natural to prefer one over another.

I don't think letter placement in signatures is disrespectful at all. Like I said, any of the Greeks here who are in more than one group place the way there letters are probably because the bold one, or the one that is listed first, is either the one they first belonged to, the one they're more involved with, or the one they identify with more.

To be honest, let's say I joined another org this year...well, my SAI letters would probably come before the other. Not out of disrespect; just for clarity, since I have been in SAI for nearly 5 years now. it would just be to show which one I was more involved with, that's all.

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by lilsunshine214
Okay, so trying being the org not getting as much attention. When you're used to all of this attention and then something "better" comes along for your sister/ brother it hurts. You sit there and think "Wait a minute! We're important, too!" It's really hard to be blaintantly shafted by someone who took the same vows as you, and all because of "panache."

Its not because of "panache." Its about a holistic experience that only social GLOs offer. That's why they are called "social," as in society.

[kddani]

Originally posted by lilsunshine214
Okay, so trying being the org not getting as much attention. When you're used to all of this attention and then something "better" comes along for your sister/ brother it hurts. You sit there and think "Wait a minute! We're important, too!" It's really hard to be blaintantly shafted by someone who took the same vows as you, and all because of "panache."

figure out how your org can become the "something better"

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by sugar and spice
What if their NPC/NPHC experience WAS more important to them than their service/professional GLO experience?

Exactly. My econ fraternity is seriously just for resume. In law school I'm sure I'll belong to a law fraternity because hello outline files and free beer sound good to me. Neither of them will hold the importance in my life that Gamma Phi Beta does.

[sairose]

Originally posted by Optimist Prime
Because they were created with very different intentions. Most of the professional fraternities center around one major. At most campuses..camp uh...campi, they exist to bring people together who are interested in for say, real estate, or business, or psychology, etc. They count and are good for resume as leadership expeirnce but in social glos, you are there because you want to be, you say to other people, by being in a Fraternity, that these men here with me are my Brothers and I love them, and we have all sworn on what we hold most sacred to keep the vows of true friendship, upon which Brotherhood is based. A Fraternity is a group of friends, who are so close to each other that it feels like family. That is what being means. Just because you have a cool t shirt and a secret handshake and maybe called brother, doesn't mean its the same thing. I have brothers who were in other pseudo greek orgs. No one can be more than one type of Greek. You can't be from two city-states at the ancient olympics, so when it comes down to it, which are you're letters, its always the one that represtes the people that you choose to be friends with.

I don't think you understood my point. Yeah, honorary orgs...those are excluded from my point. I'm referring to groups like SAI, PMA, TBS, KKY, APO, etc that function very muhc like IFC/NPC/NPHC/etc groups.

SAI and Phi Mu Alpha are both social fraternities. We have rush; pledging; ritual; big/lil sisters(or brothers, in PMA's case); Philanthropies; social events; mixers; how does this make us a "pseudo greek org"? I rather resent that.

Serving a different purpose? Well, yes, that's a given. I consider us to be like Alpha Gamma Rho, the agri fraternity. We're a social fraternity centered around a common interest (music), but members do NOT have to major in it. Like I said, obviously we are going to serve a different crowd than an NPC group, but it doesn't make us any less Greek.

[Wine&SilverBlue]

Hmm.. I'm a member of an NPC org and an honorary. Honestly, it was a lot "harder" to get "accepted" into my honorary (which only takes 4 new members each year, and had an extensive application process) than I would consider formal rush, but Pi Phi has been much more meaningful.

I originally just had Pi Phi in my signature because this is a sorority/fraternity message board, but I later added my honorary as it is something I am proud of as well, and it is greek-related.

However, I have both orgs next to eachother (in equal size) in my AIM profile

[nauadpi]

I am a member of Alpha Delta Pi, Gamma Beta Phi, Alpha Lambda Delta, and Pi Sigma Alpha... But the only group that ran on my campus as a greek organization was Alpha Delta Pi, so on this board it is what makes sense to list in my signature... I do not consider it above the other groups, just different... I think it all depends on the campus and the person as to how they will list the orgs...

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by sairose
I don't think you understood my point. Yeah, honorary orgs...those are excluded from my point. I'm referring to groups like SAI, PMA, TBS, KKY, APO, etc that function very muhc like IFC/NPC/NPHC/etc groups.

SAI and Phi Mu Alpha are both social fraternities. We have rush; pledging; ritual; big/lil sisters(or brothers, in PMA's case); Philanthropies; social events; mixers; how does this make us a "pseudo greek org"? I rather resent that.

Serving a different purpose? Well, yes, that's a given. I consider us to be like Alpha Gamma Rho, the agri fraternity. We're a social fraternity centered around a common interest (music), but members do NOT have to major in it. Like I said, obviously we are going to serve a different crowd than an NPC group, but it doesn't make us any less Greek.

I agree w/ sairose on something! Like OMG! lol

Special interest GLOs are in a class of their own. They're nothing like professional or honary GLOs at all. People who use our GLO as a resume filler are obivious and very much frowned upon. Special intererst and social GLOs are different.....yet not tooooo different from each other...especially at schools with weaker social greek systems. It sucks to see some people treat SI GLOs as inferior rather than different.

[WCUgirl]

Originally posted by Think About It
If I were in a non-NPC though, I would never consider it to be less important than my NPC.

But you're not, so until you're in that situation, I don't think you can really make such a statement.

[sairose]

Originally posted by Dionysus
I agree w/ sairose on something! Like OMG! lol

Special interest GLOs are in a class of their own. They're nothing like professional or honary GLOs at all. People who use our GLO as a resume filler are obivious and very much frowned upon. Special intererst and social GLOs are different.....yet not tooooo different from each other...especially at schools with weaker social greek systems. It sucks to see some people treat SI GLOs as inferior rather than different.

Ha! Miracles do happen!

I agree that there's a big difference between "different" and "inferior". I'd love it if we could all just be seen as equally greek.

[Erik P Conard]

perhaps Sigma Alpha Iota and Phi Mu Alpha now consider themselves as "social."
But I doubt it. On some campuses, maybe, on others they are wannabees....pure and simple.
Phi Beta Kappa, the first greek letter outfit ('cept perhaps Kappa
Sig and the U of Baloney), demanding a strong g.p.a. plus other
things. Phi Bete will not charter a lot of schools and half of ours
with NIC, NPC, etc groups do not even have a Phi Beta Kappa chapter. It is co-ed, prestigious, and means more on the outside
than being a Beta from KU or MU! LOL...please, no offense!
If those of you who claim to be social, then be...and consider the
IFC and the social role at your conventions--no in-between.
But those of us who love our social fraternities and sororities will
always feel a cut above....for lack of a better description, as we
give far more, do far more, and receive far more.
If this is offensive, so be it.
P.S. I had to have a 3.5 to get into Sigma Delta Pi, the Spanish
honorary. Some of those, though, could not find their ass with both hands. But, to each his/her own, from the distant past to
the present, and we will pass the torch...and change will come
about...but our hearts will tell us where we belong....