Silly Question - Page 2

Attractive#7 · #16 11-09-2004, 04:43 PM

We are not asking any one to lie but it's not the campus's business who we have pledging. The pledges do wear there pledge pins and the admistration does have a list of potential pledges. They have to get approved before they can make it to be a pledge. So the admin knows that we have a pledge class and they wear their pledge pins. Admin even knows that we have different terminology's but the fact remains that if you go to HBCU that BGLO's are what's dominant on the yard. The admin doesn't want certain things to happen then they can't happen. We have to go by the bylaws of the fraternity as well as the rules of the school. We try to find a happy medium between the school and the brotherhood. So if they tell us not to do something (they being the admin) then we can't do it...period.

naraht · #17 11-09-2004, 04:56 PM

I'm a little confused on the response. Your first half seems to indicate that the administration knows you have pledges, know what pledging means to Alpha Phi Omega and knows who the pledges are. Correct?

What does the admin not want to happen?

I know that the NPHCs control the yard, and that an Alpha Phi Omega chapter can be in a boatload of trouble if it really ends up NPHCs vs. Alpha Phi Omega...

Is the school refered to "happy medium" sentence the admin or the students at large or the BGLOs on the yard?
Randy

Attractive#7 · #18 11-09-2004, 05:07 PM

sorry if i'm not clear...the admin knows we have pledges. the admin knows who they are. pan hel cant use the term pledgin. in apo we can. but cuz the admin is so focused on how bglo's get down...we cant use the term either. the admin knows the difference dont get me wrong...but they dont feel comfortable with us using the term. the chapter has to come up with a happy medium. we have to do whats gonna keep us in good with nationals and with our schools admin. did that make sense this time?

naraht · #19 11-09-2004, 05:15 PM

Yup. The administration doesn't want anyone doing anything called pledging on campus, right? So the chapter has to use a different term for its process, even though it lasts 6 weeks minimum and the BGLOs process is much shorter. (btw, what term does your chapter use instead of "pledging"?)

So the pledges don't say they are pledging Alpha Phi Omega on campus but can indicate they are in the process of becoming brothers?

Randy

Attractive#7 · #20 11-09-2004, 05:34 PM

We tell the adminstration that we have a line and the pledges dont have a need to tell the campus that they are pledging...they wear there pledge pins thats all that matters

naraht · #21 11-10-2004, 12:07 PM

A compromise, I guess, but still doesn't seem quite right to hide things.

I guess some of it comes from being from a chapter that got treated well by our on campus. We refereed or were otherwise an active neutral party in the intergreek competitions. (We ushered greek sing, we ran the timing/scoreboard at the "buggy" races, we had the food booth at spring carnival, and at least once got asked to provide a ref for an adhoc football game between two of the socials.

Randy

Attractive#7 · #22 11-10-2004, 04:16 PM

we dont hide having a pledge class from the campus cuz the orgs dont like us...we just do...its a different culture...i really dont like when AA's in APO make that statement cuz so many things in APO go across the color line but in this case it's the only way i can explain this one...iv'e tried so many times...i mean at Black schools u just dont let everyone know who's getting ready to be in ur org.

naraht · #23 11-12-2004, 09:59 AM

Hmm. I wonder if its different for the Noble Nine chapters at schools where there are more NIC/NPC groups than NPHC (or close).

Apologies if any of the following insults, I'm not trying to.

Perhaps on campuses where being part of an fraternity/sorority has a greater effect on ones life/position/standing, having people identifiable as having attempted to be part of greek and *failing* is such a significant negative for a person that the greeks are being kinder about not making it easy to identify who tried and failed...
(If that made any sense at all).

Randy

Attractive#7 · #24 11-17-2004, 07:42 AM

makes sense but no...if someone was pledging a d9 frat or sorority and didnt make it the school would know...you know such n such dropped line etc. you just dont tell people that you are pledging...its an unwritten rule...it's not like a wedding...no need to give people the heads up.

naraht · #25 11-17-2004, 04:36 PM

Well the school doesn't exactly spread the news...

Wonder how far the unwritten rule goes, to NPHCs at HWIs?

Randy

bro_strawter · #26 11-22-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by naraht
Well the school doesn't exactly spread the news...

Wonder how far the unwritten rule goes, to NPHCs at HWIs?

Randy

I doubt they reveal their pledges to any other than the administration either...not until probate at least.

naraht · #27 11-23-2004, 01:20 PM

Still doesn't make any sense and unforunately all of the other reasons I've come up with the for the rule are vastly insulting to the entire NPHC system, so I'll refrain from making them.

33girl · #28 11-23-2004, 01:46 PM

Randy - I feel where you're coming from. I think there was a thread on here where someone in an NPC sorority got on our case about us calling pledges pledges and was like "they're new members! Calling them pledges is hazing!" It gets rather tiresome to explain that just because that is what YOU are used to, it doesn't apply to anything with a Greek letter. I mean, if I remember correctly, Alpha Psi Omega refers to their chapters as "casts" and I don't see them pitching a fit because other people call it a chapter.

NPHC has found what works for them and that's great, but I don't see why APO should have to follow their rules (or NIC's or NPC's for that matter).

naraht · #29 11-23-2004, 03:12 PM

Yup, we have to follow their rules, the moment they let us on the NPHC and not one moment before. And given that we don't *want* to be there, it's not going to be any time soon.

Now I have seen HBCUs where Alpha Phi Omega gets grouped onto a council with KKPsi, TBS, GSS, and anyone else with greek letters that doesn't require doesn't require a certain number of credits have been taken in a specific department. If this group has rules, then we follow them as long as it doesn't contradict something from our Nationals...

BTW, some of the NIC fraternities call their officers by terms that are completely confusing from the outside. Like someone might guess that the chapter high alpha is the president. But is the chapter high sigma or the chapter high kappa the treasurer? But the other NICs don't seem to mind...

Randy