Israel to tempt hunger strikers

[Kevin]

From the BBC article:

One of the most well-known participants is Marwan Barghouti, who is currently serving five consecutive life sentences for murder.

Here's one of the oppressed prisoners. FIGHT ON MARWAN!

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By the way, you can really always count on European newspapers to give a fair shake to the Israelis.

Opi, why do you sympathize with these people? These are nothing more than murderers or sympathizers with murderers. Is it safe to say that you support murdering Israelis?

[_Opi_]

Actually, I didn't say they were or weren't innocent. Who knows, who cares. They are serving their time for the crimes they were suspected of. That is their punishment. The point of my post from BBC is that this is non-political. If Isreal is going to pretend to be a first world country with a constitution just like America, it can start by allowing prisoners to see their families, basic sanitation, bigger cells, etc etc to serve out their remaining years in prison. But then again, this is not a big surprise since the world already had its eye on Isreal for violating many human rights.

Rudey you can go on and call them animals and what have you. But remember, on one side of the fence is a shopping mall, while a rundown home is being demolished and kids being shot off the tops of roofs on the other side.

[_Opi_]

Ktsnake,

Sympathize with prisoners? Why would I. But don't nobody critize isreal or all of a sudden you are "anti-semitic" and "terrorist-sympathizer". I could not care less what anybody thought. There is nothing wrong with a peaceful protest.


Besides, i am not the one telling them to feed of eachother and starve to death and bla bla......I would rather discuss the merits of this claim.


And please don't ask me stupid ass questions like, do you support the murder of isrealis because i want to discuss the issue of prisoner conditions. Why would anyone support the death of another human being? Its sad that innocent people have to die from both sides because of occupation or colonization or whatever you choose to call it.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Actually, I didn't say they were or weren't innocent. Who knows, who cares. They are serving their time for the crimes they were suspected of. That is their punishment. The point of my post from BBC is that this is non-political. If Isreal is going to pretend to be a first world country with a constitution just like America, it can start by allowing prisoners to see their families, basic sanitation, bigger cells, etc etc to serve out their remaining years in prison. But then again, this is not a big surprise since the world already had its eye on Isreal for violating many human rights.

Rudey you can go on and call them animals and what have you. But remember, on one side of the fence is a shopping mall, while a rundown home is being demolished and kids being shot off the tops of roofs on the other side.

The articles posted before were non-political. Israel is a first world country but it does not have a constitution actually. And no it doesn't need to do any of those things for terrorists who are trying to destroy it were they given those rights. And the world can talk all it wants on human rights yet the right for an Israeli to live lacks importance in their eyes.

And I can remember that on the Arab side of the fence, murderers rules who have stolen from their people. I can remember that Arafat sits on top of billions he has stolen. I can remember that even the terrorist organizers have finally started to say their violent uprising was a total and utter failure. And while you're making that one side of the fence so innocent with its rundown homes and kids being shot, it should be remembered that rundown homes are used to murder Israelis and smuggle weapons while Arabs have their kids trade suicide murderer trading cards and carry bomb belts in public.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
And please don't ask me stupid ass questions like, do you support the murder of isrealis because i want to discuss the issue of prisoner conditions. Why would anyone support the death of another human being? Its sad that innocent people have to die from both sides because of occupation or colonization or whatever you choose to call it.

Right...go tell that to Syria who is occupying Lebanon. And send some angry letters to Egypt and Jordan for occupying the West Bank and Gaza - because of them no country called Palestine has ever existed since they invaded on the birth of Israel and occupied those lands.

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Actually, I didn't say they were or weren't innocent. Who knows, who cares. They are serving their time for the crimes they were suspected of. That is their punishment. The point of my post from BBC is that this is non-political. If Isreal is going to pretend to be a first world country with a constitution just like America, it can start by allowing prisoners to see their families, basic sanitation, bigger cells, etc etc to serve out their remaining years in prison. But then again, this is not a big surprise since the world already had its eye on Isreal for violating many human rights.

First, if you're going to comment on Israel, spell it right. You loose all credibility when you pretend to be informed, and repeatedly mispell a six letter word. Second, hold other nations in that region to the same standards to which you hold Israel. If you do, you'll find that Israeli prisons seem like Disney World.

[_Opi_]

Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
You loose all credibility when you pretend to be informed, and repeatedly mispell a six letter word. [/B]

To be honest with you, I have a tendency to mispell words when its nearing the end of a work day and I haven't had lunch. People mispell simple all the time.

Second, I would talk about other nations, 'cept we're not talking about them but Israel. I'm trying to stick to the topic at hand. I hardly doubt displacing natives and shooting kids off roofs is "disney world", even if its better than what neighboring countries are doing.

Rudey,

I believe the going word these days is "occupation". Colonization is the thing of the past. Oh well.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
To be honest with you, I have a tendency to mispell words when its nearing the end of a work day and I haven't had lunch. People mispell simple all the time.

Second, I would talk about other nations, 'cept we're not talking about them but Israel. I'm trying to stick to the topic at hand. I hardly doubt displacing natives and shooting kids off roofs is "disney world", even if its better than what neighboring countries are doing.

Rudey,

I believe the going word these days is "occupation". Colonization is the thing of the past. Oh well.

Who is "native"? My understanding of ancient history tells me that the Israelis were displaced by invaders.

[_Opi_]

Natives= those who live/ lived in the now Israeli-occupied palestinian territory.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
Natives= those who live/ lived in the now Israeli-occupied palestinian territory.

Palestinians were occupying the Israeli homeland before that.

See? It's more complicated than that. What exactly makes them "natives" in your mind?

[_Opi_]

They were all living in palestine (the jewish and arab palestinians) before the british screwed everyone over.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
To be honest with you, I have a tendency to mispell words when its nearing the end of a work day and I haven't had lunch. People mispell simple all the time.

Second, I would talk about other nations, 'cept we're not talking about them but Israel. I'm trying to stick to the topic at hand. I hardly doubt displacing natives and shooting kids off roofs is "disney world", even if its better than what neighboring countries are doing.

Rudey,

I believe the going word these days is "occupation". Colonization is the thing of the past. Oh well.

You're right. I wish the Arabs and these "Palestinians" would stop shooting Israeli children off roofs and displacing Israelis. But back to the matter at hand I like how terrorist groups who call for the destruction of Israel and its citizens are asking their terrorist members not to eat. These animals should just starve.

-Rudey

[Kevin]

Originally posted by _Opi_
They were all living in palestine (the jewish and arab palestinians) before the british screwed everyone over.

Agreed that the current situation is FUBAR. The active part of FUBAR is the BAR part (Beyond All Repair). I think there needs to be a Palestinian homeland, but I don't think it can happen as long as the "resistance" leaders like Arafat are still in control. They've said it before -- they won't be happy until Israel is destroyed and gone. I just don't think that's a realistic possibility.

Unfortunately, they're not thinking with their peoples' best interests in mind. They are only thinking about their own power and wealth. For the few in charge of Palestine, the current culture grants them both of those two things.

To succeed in "fixing" the Israel-Palestine problem, changes need to happen on both sides. Israel needs to cool it with the settlements and Palestine needs to.. I don't even know where to start with them... Like I said before, it's VERY complicated (as you well know).

[Rudey]

Originally posted by _Opi_
They were all living in palestine (the jewish and arab palestinians) before the british screwed everyone over.

There was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The area was a British mandate. On the day that this country was supposed to be created, Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza as many Arab countries attacked Israel. Jewish roots in Israel and the parts people now call the West Bank run deep.

Israel is there. An Egyptian man named Yasser Arafat who steals from "Palestinians" might not accept it and neither will those who run Hamas, Jihad, and Hizbullah but at the end of the day their prisoners can all starve to death for all I care.

-Rudey

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by _Opi_
To be honest with you, I have a tendency to mispell words when its nearing the end of a work day and I haven't had lunch. People mispell simple all the time.

Second, I would talk about other nations, 'cept we're not talking about them but Israel. I'm trying to stick to the topic at hand. I hardly doubt displacing natives and shooting kids off roofs is "disney world", even if its better than what neighboring countries are doing.

Rudey,

I believe the going word these days is "occupation". Colonization is the thing of the past. Oh well.

Israel doesn't target "kids off roofs" and would have no need to "displace natives" had they not been repeatedly invaded by Arab states.

Also, Israel has been a nation under siege since their founding. No nation on Earth has ever been able to maintain an even handed extension of liberties under those circumstances. Considering their environment, they are acting in a very humane way.