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Old 08-11-2004, 03:18 PM
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I think she is lying! It was all about the Benjamins to begin with!
That's kind of what it looks like.
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Old 08-11-2004, 03:19 PM
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Nobody knows what went on in that room except the two people who were there. How can others be so sure of his guilt or innocence and her honesty or dishonesty?
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Old 08-11-2004, 03:19 PM
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i thought she didn't want to continue with the criminal trial anymore b/c she didn't want her past sexual experiences brought out in court?
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Old 08-11-2004, 03:29 PM
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I have a very hard time believing that someone who has been violently raped would have consensual sex with anyone else within a few months, let alone two days! Yes, I know it's possible, but certainly not probable.
Actually, it's not only quite probable, but quite common. Anybody who has studied/worked with rape victims before knows that two very common reactions for rape victims are either:

1) to become afraid of sex/touch and not engage in it (this is the reaction most people think of) OR
2) to become promiscuous (the theory is that these women are trying to gain the control over the act of sex that they lost when they were raped . . .)

The second reaction is much more common than most people realize.

I have no idea what role that plays in the Kobe case because I haven't been following it closely in a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if she had slept with someone else that soon, and I doubt it would surprise most people who work with rape victims on a regular basis, either.
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Old 08-11-2004, 04:29 PM
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I think she is lying! It was all about the Benjamins to begin with!
Part of me agrees with this, part of me doesn't.
While I of course wasn't there and don't know and never will truely know what happened, if I were truely raped I would want to see the man rot in jail rather then try to go after his money.
I don't know. I don't know what's going on her head, but this makes me suspicious.
I want to believe her. Some of my closest friends have been rape victims. I would hate to be in their shoes and be afraid that no one would believe me.
Maybe she really won't get a fair trial because of his celebrity status and all the crap the media has put her through so she feels this is her only recourse.
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Old 08-11-2004, 10:07 PM
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I thought sexual promiscuity was a delayed reaction to rape or abuse?

Its been a while since I studied that, but if she was promiscious a day after her "attack" wouldn't it be more likely a sign of an earlier abusive encounter?

Just asking for clarification.

PS. I don't think her having sex the next day doesn't mean she wasn't raped. I don't know if there is a high correlation.

Also, the definition of rape has softened a bit over the years. So it might be less tramautic for her to have had a sexual situation go farther than she intended but where actual force or fear wasn't applied, versus some girl being forced at knife, gun point, or beaten into submission.

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Actually, it's not only quite probable, but quite common. Anybody who has studied/worked with rape victims before knows that two very common reactions for rape victims are either:

1) to become afraid of sex/touch and not engage in it (this is the reaction most people think of) OR
2) to become promiscuous (the theory is that these women are trying to gain the control over the act of sex that they lost when they were raped . . .)

The second reaction is much more common than most people realize.

I have no idea what role that plays in the Kobe case because I haven't been following it closely in a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if she had slept with someone else that soon, and I doubt it would surprise most people who work with rape victims on a regular basis, either.
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Old 08-11-2004, 11:37 PM
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What the legal analysts are saying on Colorado media is that the prosecution isn't feeling as good about the case -- for whatever reason, and that evidentiary rules in a civil trial are much less stringent so the young woman feels she will have a better chance to win.

I kind of think this doesn't look good for her or about her.
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Old 08-12-2004, 01:44 AM
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First of all this was one of the most awful cases ever. Her name was released so often it became a joke. At one point I believe the prosecutor did it on their website even. That is just something that is difficult to understand.

As for a civil lawsuit, why not? I mean these occur all the time but when it involves a rape case and a celebrity, it's all about getting money? If it was a beating, then I doubt people would say this. Heck OJ the bloody murderer was also sued and fled to Florida to not pay. The money is to address damages and I guess our judicial system will help to determine whether she is entitled to those damages.

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Old 08-12-2004, 10:09 AM
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Only one very small thing -- I believe it was the court's website that accidentally relased the name and other details originally. Although I think it may have happened more than once on different sites.

For whatever it's worth, the coverage I've seen here in Colorado by local media has been very careful in protecting the alleged victin's identity -- even though, at this point, it seems moot.

In my mind, this woman seems more and more of a flake and gold digger. However, that might be unfair since we really don't know the real story. Can't help but feel that way, though.
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Old 08-12-2004, 10:12 AM
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This is part of what you get when you have "High profile attornies". From what I've seen, they're not necessarily folks that are great lawyers. The big thing is that they know a thing or three about public relations. Just look at Gloria Allred (hate her). But she's got her s***t together when it comes to the media. I've never heard about how she's a great litigator or anything. She's just good at being a talking head with a law degree and a California Bar #.
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:48 AM
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Put the brownhole away for 40 years! If not for this then for what he did to the big man.

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LOL, r u talking about Shaq? LOL


Kobe should've hit her off from the jump. I always believed that it was consensual until he got stingy and didn't want to seperate on some ends. Heck, how do u think MJ got away with it for all these years?
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:49 AM
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Heck, how do u think MJ got away with it for all these years?
Because he's innocent.

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Old 08-12-2004, 11:55 AM
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Because he's innocent.

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My bad, I confuse the post. I meant MJ getting away with cheating.
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:55 AM
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and staying out of BS liek this.
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Old 08-12-2004, 11:58 AM
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I thought sexual promiscuity was a delayed reaction to rape or abuse?

Its been a while since I studied that, but if she was promiscious a day after her "attack" wouldn't it be more likely a sign of an earlier abusive encounter?
I had thought that, too. I always thought that sexual promiscuity after rape or sexual abuse was common in people who had these events happen at a young age. When they're older, they use sexual promiscuity as a way to deal with it. I remember studying this while completing my sociology minor but promiscuity following rape/abuse in adulthood wasn't something the research I was reading dealt with.
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