Is Barak Obama speaking Bill Cosby's words?

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
Well you don't "think" the community is on the decline..I'm talking about facts.

More Facts

Please visit www.saveus.org and take a look at the Portrait of the Black family. I quote this website often because though its not a pretty picture of our community, it lays out factual info. If you question the stats, research them on your own...but you won't find significant differences in these figures.

The statistics presented in this document are interesting. However, it doesn't say where they come from. Did this religious organization conduct a survey??

They don't speak unless spoken to? So what should they be doing? HOlding press conferences?

Who am I to say what they should be doing?? I'm not in their shoes, I just notice that they rarely speak out on issues that affect the Black community.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
More Facts




Who am I to say what they should be doing?? I'm not in their shoes, I just notice that they rarely speak out on issues that affect the Black community.

Well if you point out what they're not doing, I thought you had a suggestion for what they should be doing...but I see you're just putting that out there, so thats cool.
What issues do you feel affect the black community that they should be speaking out on? And is this the responsibility of the Secretary of State and the National Security Advisor?

My rant....
And as far as your stats, your "facts" do nothing to disprove or even address the issues I posted. Education, money, the economy, etc are not the reasons why the black community is in the current state it is. Our family units were tighter when we had less money, less education, and less opportunities. The problem is the dismantling of the family.


....but back to Brak....

[TheEpitome1920]

I posted those statistics to prove that anyone can pull something out of the sky that will prove their point. That's a known fact.

You chose to provide information saying that there are issues with our community and provide no plausible solutions. So the purpose of this dialogue is what??

I'm done.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
I posted those statistics to prove that anyone can pull something out of the sky that will prove their point. That's a known fact.

You chose to provide information saying that there are issues with our community and provide no plausible solutions. So the purpose of this dialogue is what??

I'm done.

you were done before you started lol...If there was no purpose, you shouldn't have engaged in it

[TheEpitome1920]

Naw, I just see this going back and forth. Something I don't have energy for today.

[Honeykiss1974]

Both Obama abd Cosby are on point with their comments. People may not like where or how they say it, but it needs to be said because yes, some of our coomunities are in serious decline. Now granted that doesn't negate what good things people/organizations are trying to do. If anything, it should be a call to ALL OF US to do something and to not depend on someone else (whether black, white, the gov't, NAACP, whomever) to be our "saving grace".

[GRhinoUK]

Originally posted by TheEpitome1920
Did you ever engage in conversation with your Black peers about this? Or did you allow them to ridicule you and say nothing? I also experienced the 'acting' or 'talking' White comments. However, I did not allow that to dictate my friendships and relationship with the Black community...

Yes I did, several times. The typical response was less than stellar. Don't get me wrong, I may not have been close to my black peers but I never let that limit me. You can only hang out with people that want to hang out with you. I have not yet nor will I ever give up on my people.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by GRhinoUK
The only good that came out of this was my realization that if black people didn't like me and white people would never fully accept me, then everyone must be pretty much equal and should be treated as such. As a result I picked my friends on terms of character and similarity to myself, skin was never a factor.

Coming from someone who was treated like utter shit from both white and black people, I'm glad I am not the only person who feels this way.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by Dionysus
Coming from someone who was treated like utter shit from both white and black people, I'm glad I am not the only person who feels this way.

Join the club. No one is immune from being bogusly (is that a word? it is now)

[madmax]

I wonder what would have happened if Bush went to the NAACP convention and gave the same speech that Barak gave?

[Kevin]

BLACK FAMILY PLEDGE
By Dr. Maya Angelou
Because we have forgotten our ancestors our children no longer give us honor.

Because we have lost the path our ancestors cleared, kneeling in perilous undergrowth, our children cannot find their way.

Because we have banished the God of our ancestors, our children can not pray.

Because the long wails of our ancestors have faded beyond our hearing, our children cannot hear us crying.

Because we have abandoned our wisdom of mothering and fathering, our befuddled children give birth to children they neither want nor understand.

Because we have forgotten how to love, the adversary is within our gates, and holds us up to the mirror of the world, shouting, Regard the loveless.

Therefore, we pledge to bind ourselves again to one another;
To embrace our lowliest,
To keep company with our loneliest,
To educate our illiterate,
To feed our starving,
To clothe our ragged,
To do all good things, knowing that we are more than keepers of our brothers and sisters. We are our brothers and sisters.

In honor of those who toiled and implored God with golden tongues, and in gratitude to the same God who brought us out of hopeless desolation,

We make this pledge.

[TheEpitome1920]

Originally posted by madmax
Not on the decline?

I read the following stats last week during the NAACP convention.

80% of black households are led by women.
50% of blacks drop out of high school.

• Percentage of African-American adults in 1960 who had completed high school: 20.1%
• Percentage of African-American adults in 2002 who had completed high school: 78.7% (U.S. Department of Education)


• Percentage of black schoolchildren ages 5 to 17 in 1979 who had at least one parent who graduated from high school: 49.9%
• Percentage of black schoolchildren ages 5 to 17 in 2001 who had at least one parent who graduated from high school: 87.7% (National Center for Education Statistics)

• Percentage of all 16- to 24-year-old blacks in the United States in 2000 who were high school dropouts: 13.1% (National Center for Education Statistics

[TheEpitome1920]

Must we really post stats all day?? I'm sorry for having faith in my community.

[abaici]

Originally posted by madmax
I wonder what would have happened if Bush went to the NAACP convention and gave the same speech that Barak gave?

It would cause an uproar. Why? Intentions. Barack is concerned with improving the conditions of African-Americans, our President does not (I'll extend that statement to include the impoverished as well).


And enough with the Stats! We should all know by now that one can find stats to support ANY argument.

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by madmax
I wonder what would have happened if Bush went to the NAACP convention and gave the same speech that Barak gave?

It definitely would have caused an uproar but I think its because the African American community doesn't like anyone that's not African American to call them out on certain behaviors. As you can see, when I post things, I get called names all day and is accused either self hate or not having faith in my community. Look at how Bill Cosby is treated. Some people prefer to look at the world through Rose Colored Glasses while others like myself like to be realistic.