"Real Fraternities"

[Erik P Conard]

while I do not always agree with you, I have been to Edmond
seen it up and down and up again. You got a good head on
your shoulders and are one of the keenest, loyal, and good
ones in here. I've some Delta Sig, & Phi Psi friends, so they are
not all druggies, losers and wimps. Sometimes one runs out of
steam, and I did not intend to place this topic on the general site
which is full of folks who'd have played hell even getting into a
college a few decades ago. Issue everyone a free ride, a gentlemans B (used to be a C), a sugar titty, and a PhD then let
us get on with living. Greek letters may grace Bruce's College of
Cosmetology at the Mall, but let someone else do that rah-rah.

[PM_Mama00]

What? Why don't you speak in easy English terms for those of us not good enough to get into a "real" school or a "real" fraternity or sorority.

[damasa]

This is seriously one of the worst posts I've read on GC, no lie. People like this are one of the many reasons that "greeks" seem to be at odds with eachother. I never knew that a fraternity/sorority had to be national and have a house in order to be considered "real."

Then again, we aren't talking 50-60 years ago when life was much different in general. So much has changed and many fraternities and sororities do things just to survive on some campuses, even if they have a house and more than 20 members. So what defines a real fraternity then? A house? A big school? National? More than 50 members?

Let's be real here, it's not what it was 50 years ago and it never will be. Not to mention that said poster seems to have some "fake chapters' within said poster's "real fraternity."

I used to enjoy Erik's posts but now I find him to be a dick. I write him off as the old ass brother that nobody really pays attention to because he seems to make little senss and always relates things to "back in the day" or "when he was in school."

[KSUViolet06]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
The very reason I posted this topic on the TKE site and not on the
general was 'cause I do not wish to have it included amongst the
'new" or "diverse' or "extension" schools....did you read this?
If you did not, then please do...
Of my era and others, perhaps, I have a concept of fraternity. It
does not include twenty member chapters nor those without a
housing provision--all a part of the fraternity experience...in MY
opinion. I welcome yours but do not necessarily agree with your
concept. You are poor examples in many cases, of what we used
to call manners, discretion, and leadership. But, again, this is my
opinion. And I still am not aiming at the general 'Greek Chat"
audience...I want no part of you. Get back in traction.

You know, the NPHC greeks don't fit your "concept", I'm curious to see what you think of them. Are the Sigmas, Kappas, Iotas, Omegas, and Alphas not part of the "true fraternity experience" because they don't have houses and prefer to have smaller chapters?

Geez.

[Tom Earp]

Erik, my friend,

you get a little over the top on this post!

Yes, you are correct ktsnake is one heck of a Greek, I talk with him once in a while.

I hold him as a close Greek Friend as I do you.

Many times, times have changed from the days of old as We knew them.

Remember when State Colleges were not on an A List for the older line Greeks to even think about looking at?
As you know, I do very well!

Some commuter schools have grown from small settings to 4 year schools with larger Campi. Real buildings and dorms, not just a building housing class rooms at a Mall or on a corner.

It may come back to that with the high tuition that seems to be the vouge with tax cuts!

[Senusret I]

Sometimes, I too wonder why certain fraternities exist. There are some fraternities and sororities that exist, I think, to the detriment of Greek life on the whole.

HOWEVA......as Rudey said in another thread, those organizations must exist for a reason and fulfill some sort of need. I am not the one to speak against the purpose for ANY fraternity or sorority in a public forum, particularly one that embraces all GLOs.

It's just foolish to have this debate with him, people. Not only does he expect you to call him all types of variations of OLD, it doesn't hurt his feelings and won't change his mind. Just let it go so we can all keep learning from each other the best way we can.....

through debates on blackface.

Thank you.

[DeltaSigStan]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
while I do not always agree with you, I have been to Edmond
seen it up and down and up again. You got a good head on
your shoulders and are one of the keenest, loyal, and good
ones in here. I've some Delta Sig, & Phi Psi friends, so they are
not all druggies, losers and wimps. Sometimes one runs out of
steam, and I did not intend to place this topic on the general site
which is full of folks who'd have played hell even getting into a
college a few decades ago. Issue everyone a free ride, a gentlemans B (used to be a C), a sugar titty, and a PhD then let
us get on with living. Greek letters may grace Bruce's College of
Cosmetology at the Mall, but let someone else do that rah-rah.

1) If you think the Delta Sigs and Sigma Nus are wimps and losers, you outta see the unrecognized TKE chapter here...oops, they bit the hand that fed them, now they're gone. Half of them are part of the new Lambda Chi contingent, and their alum rep on this board doesn't seem to know WTF he's talking about.

2) Only a wimp would hide their thread amongst people who will only tell you what you want to hear. You knew damn well everyone who's in touch with the year 2004 will tell you how stupid your little argument is, so of course you hid it. Don't give me that BS about limiting the criteria or whatever. If there's a problem with linking your thread, then by all means, tell a mod and have it deleted. Don't think it will happen though.


3) So, to recap, Erik seems to think anyone without a house and/or goes to a commuter school aren't Greek. Would you mind telling my friends in Phi Beta Sigma, who don't have a house, that they're not Greek? Or maybe the TKE chapter at Cal State San Marcos?

[Rudey]

My dear Erik, many fraternities are not housed. I would like to know if all of TKE's chapters are housed.

Who cares about this whole community college/commuter/extension school thing? Is this really an issue? I don't know any and if there are some, they are few.

And how about the fact that fraternities create chapters at every school they can in an effort to expand?? You have a bunch of morons from very stupid schools that can't relate to their smarter brothers in better schools and these same morons from stupid schools create even bigger risks with their parties since really they went to college only for the alcohol. So, Erik, why is TKE at stupid schools?

-Rudey

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by Rudey
My dear Erik, many fraternities are not housed. I would like to know if all of TKE's chapters are housed.

Who cares about this whole community college/commuter/extension school thing? Is this really an issue? I don't know any and if there are some, they are few.

And how about the fact that fraternities create chapters at every school they can in an effort to expand?? You have a bunch of morons from very stupid schools that can't relate to their smarter brothers in better schools and these same morons from stupid schools create even bigger risks with their parties since really they went to college only for the alcohol. So, Erik, why is TKE at stupid schools?

-Rudey

Actually, there's a TKE chapter on my campus (a satellite of University of Michigan), and they do not have a house.

But I wouldn't say that those types of schools are few... there are actually many.