NPC's that didn't make it

[PM_Mama00]

Lol I met a girl in one of my classes who I kept trying to rush. Finally she told me that she was a Kappa Beta Gamma. They are part of the NPC at their school, but not nationally. I thought their name was cool cuz locally we were Kappa Gamma Beta.

[33girl]

Originally posted by DeltaBetaBaby
How does a group decide what group to merge with?

Probably commonality of ideals, opportunity and lack of chapter overlap. I. E. ASA and AST would never merge because we have chapters at so many of the same schools. It wouldn't help either of us with size issues.

[Diamond Delta]

Originally posted by 33girl
Probably commonality of ideals, opportunity and lack of chapter overlap. I. E. ASA and AST would never merge because we have chapters at so many of the same schools. It wouldn't help either of us with size issues.

That is eactly right. When I read the Baird's it pretty much stay sfactual and doesn't say too much about why certain groups merge, but it does tell that they "have the same mission, pupose, goals, etc, etc" and not having too much chapter overlap is definitely a factor. It is also a mutual decision I beleive. Either XYZ and ABC decide to merge or perhaps, ABC realizes that they are not doing well for one reason or other and seeks out another group to abosrb them. Or possibly XYZ sees that ABC is a great sorority and they have the similar ideals, but for whatever reason ABC is having a hard time with growth, offers to absorb them. I don't think of it as a hostile take over or anything! I am sure some alumnae might not like it, you can't make everybody like everything. But it is a mutual decision.

[AEPhiSierra]

I have always wondered why Iota Alpha Pi didn't affiliate with AEPhi or SDT since they were the first historically jewish national sorority. My only guess is there was probably a lot of chapter overlap.

[aopirose]

Originally posted by AEPhiSierra
I have always wondered why Iota Alpha Pi didn't affiliate with AEPhi or SDT since they were the first historically jewish national sorority. My only guess is there was probably a lot of chapter overlap.

That's what I guess too then again, there are some people who would rather "die" then affiliate with anyone. That may not be the case here.

***Paging Exlurker***
If you have time or inclination, could you please with a cherry on top give us a list of IAII chapters? THANKS!!!!

[aephi alum]

So what happens when there is a merger and there is some chapter overlap? Or, what has happened in the past? Do the chapters merge? I'm thinking of some of the schools where it's not uncommon to have 200+ member chapters... a merger happens, and suddenly you have over 400 sisters in your chapter! But I guess that would work itself out over time, with the quota/total system.

[AEPhiSierra]

I do have the chapter list but have never cross referenced it with AEPhi or SDT (I got it from Baird's so if parts don't make sense it's there fault, not mine):

Alpha - Hunter 1903-1913
Beta - Hunter 1913 - 1965
Gamma - Brooklyn Law - 1913-1941
Delta - NYU - Washington Sq. - 1922
Epsilon - New Jersey Law - 1922-1942
Zeta - Adelphi - 1926
Eta - Denver - 1927-1942
Kappa - Toronto - 1929-1956
Iota - Long Island (LIU?) - 1930
Lambda - Brooklyn College - 1931
Mu - Manitoba - 1935
Nu - Wayne St. - 1935
Omicron - Queens - 1938
Pi - Syracuse - 1942
Rho - Miami - 1946-1956
Sigma - Temple - 1946
Upsilon - Rider - 1947-1955
Phi - Illinois - 1954
Psi - NYC University Hts - 1960-1965
Beta Alpha - Penn St. - 1962
Beta Beta - CCNY
Beta Delta - Cornell
Beta Epsilon - C.W. Post

I know AEPhi has/had chapters at more than half these schools but I don't know how many were active in the early 70's.

Am I right in guessing they joined NPC in 1941 or 1942 since those are the years the Law School chapters closed?

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Where do you find all of this information? Baird's? I am trying to google these sororities, and I'm not having any luck.

[radioZTA]

Originally posted by aephi alum
So what happens when there is a merger and there is some chapter overlap? Or, what has happened in the past? Do the chapters merge?

When Beta Sigma Omicron was absorbed by (not merged with) ZTA in 1964, BSO had only 14 collegiate chapters that were still open and none of them were doing well. 7 were on campuses that already had ZTA chapters but the other 7 became ZTA chapters at their schools.

I have heard that the BSO collegians were given the chance to affiliate but don't know if this is so. An updated history of ZTA is being worked on right now so maybe there will be more info there.

BTW...BSO's ritual books and paraphernalia are archived at ZTA's international HQ.

[Denise_DPhiE]

Originally Posted by radioZTA

When Beta Sigma Omicron was absorbed by (not merged with) ZTA in 1964, BSO had only 14 collegiate chapters that were still open and none of them were doing well. 7 were on campuses that already had ZTA chapters but the other 7 became ZTA chapters at their schools.

A dear friend was a BSO and her campus in PA already had ZTA at the time of the absorption. The were "released" and Alpha Phi picked them up.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by radioZTA
When Beta Sigma Omicron was absorbed by (not merged with) ZTA in 1964....

I really like how radioZTA used the words "absorbed by" as opposed to using the words "merged with".

I don't know if this is just my way of thinking, but when I think of ABC absorbing XYZ, I think that XYZ no longer used their ritual or symbols or whatever, but ABC's instead.

A merger in my mind, would be that both ABC and XYZ collaborated and the original ritual (or just open symbols or whatever having to do with the GLO) was sort of changed to include some of both ABC's and XYZ's things.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong

[sugar and spice]

texas*princess, I agree with you -- but in some cases, some of the other GLO's ritual or traditions were brought into the new group. I'm not sure if this is the case for any of the above, but in the case of some "mergers" the absorbed group's ritual became the basis for a pledge ceremony or some other ceremony.

[33girl]

Originally posted by BetaRose
Omicron - Queens
- AEPhi: Epsilon Delta chapter, closed in 1971 also.
- SDT: Beta Zeta chapter, closed in 1971 also.

ASA's Gamma Delta chapter, at Queens, also closed in 1971. So I'm guessing they got rid of Greeks completely, or lost accreditation or something.

[aephi alum]

Originally posted by BetaRose
Lambda - Brooklyn
- AEPhi: Epsilon Beta chapter, closed in 1976.

That's AEPhiSierra's chapter... it has reopened. My NM manual indicates that chapter as active, so it must have reopened before 1995. (But, of course, the point is that that chapter was open when IAPi closed.)

[AEPhiSierra]

Originally posted by BetaRose
I'm a nerd, and I like to cross reference (not to mention that I'm bored to tears right now, lol)

Chapters of IAPi that were open in 1971 at the time of closure, and relevant AEPhi and SDT chapter info :

Lambda - Brooklyn
- AEPhi: Epsilon Beta chapter, closed in 1976.
- SDT: Lambda chapter

Omicron - Queens
- AEPhi: Epsilon Delta chapter, closed in 1971 also.
- SDT: Beta Zeta chapter, closed in 1971 also.

Beta Beta - CCNY
- No AEPhi or SDT chapters


So AEPhi could have gained 6 new chapters, and SDT 5 new chapters. Looking at this list, though, it seems like there was a bigger problem in the greek system at some of these schools, since several had multiple chapters close in 1970-72, and a few more later in the 70's. It sort of makes sense that there wasn't a merger when you look at it like that.

Corrections on the Brooklyn info: The SDT chapter is Alpha Omicron and their original charter shut down a year or two before our original charter shut down. And in response to AEPhiAlum, I am from Brooklyn College and our chapter re-chartered in 1992 (though I have heard rumors of a brief re-charter in the 1980's)

I am not sure exactly what happened because I haven't dug through CUNY archives yet but basically all Greek life died out at CUNY (which includes Brooklyn, Queens & CCNY) in the early 70's. Still not sure if they were outlawed outright or if the administration just made it hard to exist. According to Baird's Brooklyn College Chapters died out btwn 70-76 with the exception of DPhiE somehow staying til 84, 4 years before the oldest sorority currently on campus was founded (if a DPhiE could get me the story of how their chapter stayed open that long I would really appreciate b/c I am trying to piece together my campus's greek history). The same thing basically happened with Queens between 67-71 with DZ somehow lasting to 1980. I don't know the story with CCNY though.

If sororities weren't banned outright maybe AEPhi or SDT could have benefitted from larger chapters after a merger? But if they were banned outright, losing 3 chapters could have been what really forced IAPi to close.

I wish I could talk to a sister of IAPi and find out the whole story!