Fahrenheit 9/11

[texas*princess]

I personally thought the film was very intruiging.

Back in 2000, I voted for Dubya. And honestly today I will vote for Kerry in a heartbeat.

I laughed, I cried, and I cheered at the end.

I definitely think for those critizing something you haven't seen yet, you should really try to go in there and see it with an open mind.

While people may say "this man is biased", yadda yadda yadda, think of what you've seen in the news... CNN, FOX, whatever. That's biased too. They show you what they want to show you, and in my opinion, Moore is showing you what the media didn't cover.



ETA: check out his website for reactions tp the film from ppl across the States. www.michaelmoore.com

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by texas*princess
I personally thought the film was very intruiging.

Back in 2000, I voted for Dubya. And honestly today I will vote for Kerry in a heartbeat.

I laughed, I cried, and I cheered at the end.

I definitely think for those critizing something you haven't seen yet, you should really try to go in there and see it with an open mind.

While people may say "this man is biased", yadda yadda yadda, think of what you've seen in the news... CNN, FOX, whatever. That's biased too. They show you what they want to show you, and in my opinion, Moore is showing you what the media didn't cover.



ETA: check out his website for reactions tp the film from ppl across the States. www.michaelmoore.com

DID YOU READ THE LINK KTSNAKE POSTED???




No matter your politics, Michael Moore is a piece of trash.

[ms_gwyn]

I have not seen this movie, I dont think that I want to see this movie. AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LIBERAL VS. CONSERVATIVE. DEMOCRATE VS. REPUBLICAN...YADDA YADDA YADDA.

9/11 is still very close to my heart, I had a friend in those buildings who barely excaped with his life and was in the World Trade Center in the first attack. My mother was in NYC on that day. I'm still very raw.

Yes I am a cynic and I have no love the current administration. But I'm also not a polyanna when it comes to this country, all branches of the govenment and the military, I'm a realist.

But I do believe that this statement that ktsnake quoted michael moore on

"They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet . . . in thrall to conniving, thieving smug [pieces of the human anatomy]," Moore intoned. "We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing."

Is partially true, most if not all should be embarrased with our knowledge of geo politics and how the rest of the world views the US and I'm not speaking of just the Middle East or our "enemies" its happens with our Allies...we saw a taste of this during the start of the "war". We are not forced, but choose to ignore it. We are naive (myself included)...yes we need to take care of "US" first, but we also need to have an awareness of what is going on outside and have good working knowledge of our International Policies. We have to ask ourselves why do "people hate us so much". Why do some US citizens say they are from Canada when traveling abroad?

Like I said I haven't seen the movie I haven't planned on seeing it, but I do wonder if he asks some very hard questions that most people don't want to face let alone answer.

And of course the movie is going to be slanted...ITS HIS MOVIE, HE CAN SLANT IT ANYWAY HE WANTS.

I also wanted to comment on selling the movie overseas, esp Middle Eastern Nations....have we all conveniently forgotten that the US Government and as well as Business continued to do busines with Germany and Japan during WWII?

LIKE EVERY OTHER MEDIUM OUT THERE, why get mad when Michael Moore does it? because he's unapologetic for it? PLEASE

we need to get off our collective highhorse and move on

[Jill1228]

I am looking forward to seeing it. Even my mother in law (who plans on voting for the Conservative party in the Canadian elections) plans on seeing it

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Rudey
I find it funny how people act like some terrorist organizations are OK because they might do some charity work. Hizbollah is a terrorist organization, plain and simple. I don't fucking care if Bin Laden hands out bread, he's a terrorist and so is Hizbollah.

-Rudey

If someone agrees with Moore, then they also agree with Hezbollah on something.


HC If Bush loses, Hezbollah will be happy.

HC People sympathize with terrorists who would lop their heads off if they met face to face?

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by ktsnake
If someone agrees with Moore, then they also agree with Hezbollah on something.


HC If Bush loses, Hezbollah will be happy.

HC People sympathize with terrorists who would lop their heads off if they met face to face?

Who said anything about anyone sympathizing w/ terrorists?

I think that regardless of who wins or loses in November these animals are going to hate the U.S. regardless. We're not talking about rational people here. They hate America and everything we stand for, and it makes little difference to them who's holding the office of President.

[Kevin]

Originally posted by swissmiss04
Who said anything about anyone sympathizing w/ terrorists?

I think that regardless of who wins or loses in November these animals are going to hate the U.S. regardless. We're not talking about rational people here. They hate America and everything we stand for, and it makes little difference to them who's holding the office of President.

It certainly seems like they prefer one candidate over the other though.

Wonder why that is?

I always thought Kerry looked kind of French.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by texas*princess
I personally thought the film was very intruiging.

Back in 2000, I voted for Dubya. And honestly today I will vote for Kerry in a heartbeat.

Leni Reifenstahl's Triumph of the Will had that same effect to the people of Germany in the 1930's.

A movie is a movie. If it's trying to mess with your mind about politics or any other agenda, maybe you should think about why you're allowing it to do so.

I laughed, I cried, and I cheered at the end.

I definitely think for those critizing something you haven't seen yet, you should really try to go in there and see it with an open mind..

I'm sure you did - MM is a very good cinematogist! As for keeping an open mind, why should I? I've heard what HE has to say about his movie. I've heard HIM explain his agenda. I don't have to go out into the barn to know that manure doesn't smell like Chanel #5!

While people may say "this man is biased", yadda yadda yadda, think of what you've seen in the news... CNN, FOX, whatever. That's biased too. They show you what they want to show you, and in my opinion, Moore is showing you what the media didn't cover.

Edited, of course, to fit the agenda of Michael Moore, by his own admission. At the risk of redundancy, I'm basing my views on what I've heard MM say.

ETA: check out his website for reactions tp the film from ppl across the States. www.michaelmoore.com

I will, and I will keep an open mind. But I will also know that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction!

[swissmiss04]

Originally posted by honeychile
I'm sure you did - MM is a very good cinematogist! As for keeping an open mind, why should I? I've heard what HE has to say about his movie. I've heard HIM explain his agenda. I don't have to go out into the barn to know that manure doesn't smell like Chanel #5!

Not to split hairs, but the correct term is "cinematographer".

[LeslieAGD]

I saw this movie last night and I was completely astonished. Obviously Michael Moore has an agenda - that is obvious - but what he's showing you has really happened...there's no denying the facts. I honestly believe every American should see this film and know about what's happening in our country behind our backs.

Also, I loved that Moore did not show the towers. We all have that mental picture and just playing the sounds on a black screen made it so much more powerful! Similarly, he did not showcase the recent prison photos or the people who have been beheaded.

[texas*princess]

Originally posted by LeslieAGD

I saw this movie last night and I was completely astonished. Obviously Michael Moore has an agenda - that is obvious - but what he's showing you has really happened...there's no denying the facts. I honestly believe every American should see this film and know about what's happening in our country behind our backs.

Also, I loved that Moore did not show the towers. We all have that mental picture and just playing the sounds on a black screen made it so much more powerful! Similarly, he did not showcase the recent prison photos or the people who have been beheaded.

I definitely agree. I also liked how those images were not shown.

Since the news of 9/11, I haven't seen footage of the towers or anything related to the incident... but wow.. as dorky as this sounds, just hearing the sounds made me tear up.

I'm not going to go back and fourth and argue with ppl on the internet about the film or my opinions of it... just wanted to throw out what I thought about it after I saw it. If people don't want to see it, then don't.

THe film isn't about the republicans vs. the democrats or conservatives vs. liberals.. hell, even though I plan on voting for Kerry, I may vote Republican in the next Pres. Election after this one coming up... it's just putting out there what most ppl didn't know about the current administration.

edited for my crazy spelling!

[Cluey]

I won't go and see this movie, probably because I can't stand Michael Moore. Anyway, I saw this review of the film and thought some of y'all may be interested in it...

linky link

Here's an excerpt...

As I sat there in the dark I kept wanting to scream out rebuttal facts and arguments to the screen, and this is a point that I want to drive home. The vast majority of people out there, be they liberal or conservative or otherwise, do not get as involved in political discourse as most people in the blogosphere. The analogy I use is with sports or cars. We all have friends who know everything there is to know about sports. They can rattle off every insignificant fact or statistic at the drop of a hat, and are able to do so because they have an interest in the subject and spend a lot of time learning about it. There are people who are the same way about cars or computers. I, for example, know very little about sports. So if I was watching a documentary about sports, without having specific knowledge to the contrary I would tend to believe the facts presented therein. Most of the people watching Moore’s film tonight will undoubtedly take a similar tone towards this film. Since they are most likely not politics or news junkies they lack the information necessary to formulate any kind of a reasonable counter-argument, which is why Moore’s tricks and omissions are going to be effective.

[33girl]

I wasn't planning on seeing this on the big screen (due simply to the scary hygeine of Michael Moore, LOL) but 2 of Mr. 33's more liberal friends wanted to, so I did. Most of the things he said are not news. They're simply put in a handy package for those who didn't want to sift through all the articles.

And it was kind of disturbing how he tries to put across Saudi = Bad. That isn't true at all. He's ripping on the Patriot act, but his film had the same opinion.

Some of the things he said were just asinine - like saying that only one Congressman has a child in the service. Without knowing how many Congressmen have children, or children who are of age, this statistic is MEANINGLESS. It's solely there to try and make you pissed at the House of Reps.

And the part where he got into how the lower income kids who enlist give us the gift of protecting our country - geez, get a clue - I would be surprised if 20%, hell, if 10% of the people who sign up for the armed forces nowadays give 2 craps about defending our country. They want the steady paycheck and school paid for, and half the time are just SHOCKED when they actually get called into service. It's horrible to lose your life in war, any war, but if you sign up and don't know what you're getting into (or willfully delude yourself) I question if it isn't natural selection. Of course there are slimeball recruiters out there - and I think the whole GI Bill system should be revamped so that you don't get $$ for school unless you have been drafted. I think there would be far fewer people signing up for the wrong reasons because of this.

At any rate, I don't think Moore will ever top Roger and Me. That movie was great, because it came from his heart. I could totally relate to it, being from a similarly dying town (although not as severe). Ever since then, he's tried to live up to that and hasn't been able to because the movies are being made to publicize him, more than whatever the issue is.

[AOcutiePi4ever]

i saw this movie--- it was AMAZING. ppl clapped and cheered during the whole thing and i live in the DIRTY SOUTH ((conservatives galore)). it is great and everyone, even if your a huge bush fan, should see it, because it shows a WHOLE OTHER story that we havent been told...............

[GeoffZ]

'Fahrenheit 9/11' Sets Documentary Record

http://breakingnews.nypost.com/dynam...=ENTERTAINMENT