2 California teachers in trouble for showing classes Nick Berg beheading

[KillarneyRose]

Originally posted by madmax
You have seen worse and so has everyone else.

I don't *think* that I'm naive or sheltered, but I can't recall anything offhand I've seen that would be as horrific as a screaming American having his head sawed off.

My friend, who, as a surgeon, must have a pretty strong stomach, saw the tape and he said it is absolutely horrible. I don't want to have to worry about my children going off to school and watching something like that.

[RACooper]

I have to agree with Madmax.... alot of horrible stuff has always been shown in the media (tv and print); but it all depends on what exactly each person is repulsed by... personally dead bodies and blood don't phase me (anymore), but the method of death or circumstances can turn my stomach. The Berg footage ranks up there, but unfortunately doesn't occupy the top slot with me.

[Rudey]

This is not a pregnancy. A pregnancy is a part of nature, a beheading is an atrocity.

Secondly, this is a political act. That teacher showed that video to say "That's why we shouldn't be at war." That is to push an agenda. On top of that, it is also intellectually stupid. Someone should show some videos of Iraqis dying from inhaling chemical gas in that case. Obviously, this wasn't about education since that wasn't shown.

-Rudey
--Come on, sometimes all it takes is common sense and no fancy books or big words.

[XOMichelle]

My goodness! With what you can see on the street or on the news or in movies I hardly think this will harm any high school student. What an uptight parent! Get over it!

[Rudey]

Originally posted by XOMichelle
My goodness! With what you can see on the street or on the news or in movies I hardly think this will harm any high school student. What an uptight parent! Get over it!

Please let me know what you've seen on the street, the news, or in movies that compares.

-Rudey

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by Rudey
Please let me know what you've seen on the street, the news, or in movies that compares.

-Rudey

co-sign.

A note on what one sees in the movies....IT'S FAKE. You can't compare a violent movie to the footage of a person truly getting their head cut off.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

I have never seen anyone really getting beheaded on the streets or movies or news.

I think that these teachers were out of line to show that videotape in a classroom without parental consent. My friend's daughter takes a forensics class. The parents had to consent to allow their children to see videos of graphic autopsies. This is an elective class so if students or parents were uncomfortable, they could select another class. I think that parents of the students in this class should have been given the same choice.

[GeekyPenguin]

Maybe some of you grew up in way too sheltered areas, but I've seen people get stabbed in the streets, and I watched the attempted rape of one of my friends on a UW campus. You see terrible things everywhere.

That being said, if the students had the option to leave, I see nothing wrong with this.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Maybe some of you grew up in way too sheltered areas, but I've seen people get stabbed in the streets, and I watched the attempted rape of one of my friends on a UW campus. You see terrible things everywhere.

That being said, if the students had the option to leave, I see nothing wrong with this.

A) You've only lived in Milwaukee for a little while. Stop acting like Mindy McThug.

B) This wasn't an act of exposing them to gruesome acts for the sake of learning about gruesome acts. People are making this an issue of "I've seen bad things". Well good for anyone who has seen bad things.

-Rudey

[DZHBrown]

Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
Maybe some of you grew up in way too sheltered areas, but I've seen people get stabbed in the streets, and I watched the attempted rape of one of my friends on a UW campus. You see terrible things everywhere.

That being said, if the students had the option to leave, I see nothing wrong with this.

So if you've never seen someone get stabbed in the streets, you're "way too sheltered"? That's absurd. I'll be sure to raise my kids in an unsafe environment so they're not too sheltered.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Rudey
This is not a pregnancy. A pregnancy is a part of nature, a beheading is an atrocity.

So then it's ok to show a video of a pregnancy in our schools without parental consent because it's a pregnancy? So something has to rank up there as an atrocity in order to not be viewed in schools?

I usually agree with you Rudey, but education is education like I said in my original post. Watching a video about pregnancy in health class is education and to me, so is watching the Nick Berg video, it's education to how sick this world is and how atrocities like this exist.

I'd only have a problem with it if children were being "forced" to watch it, but if they are warned and allowed to leave beforehand then I don't see anything wrong with it.

And my pregnancy in health class video was just an example. We were given no fair warning of what it would be and we weren't allowed to leave class. I was underage and I saw a vagina and I didn't need parental consent....

Now that was just a specific example but I've also seen other things in school like videos on the Holocaust and other videos from WWI and WWII that honestly made my stomach turn more than the Nick Berg video.

It's only bad when it's something we don't want people to see and I'm sorry but that's straight bullshit.

[Rudey]

A) I had to sign a permission slip for sex-ed. I never saw any videos but I giggled at pictures only after that was signed. You may want to ask your parents just to be sure if you had to have permission as well. If my children were watching vaginas, I'd at least like some say in it.

B) This isn't an act of education to show how sick the world is. This was an act to say war is wrong and this is something that we deserved because we went to war. There were no videos and pictures of mutilated Iraqis who died at Saddam's hands. There were no classes on that. In fact it was shown even in an art class. Was this a topic of art?

C) Were this a college class dedicated to torture with advance notice to students with approval from all necessary people, it might be a different case.

-Rudey

Originally posted by damasa
So then it's ok to show a video of a pregnancy in our schools without parental consent because it's a pregnancy? So something has to rank up there as an atrocity in order to not be viewed in schools?

I usually agree with you Rudey, but education is education like I said in my original post. Watching a video about pregnancy in health class is education and to me, so is watching the Nick Berg video, it's education to how sick this world is and how atrocities like this exist.

I'd only have a problem with it if children were being "forced" to watch it, but if they are warned and allowed to leave beforehand then I don't see anything wrong with it.

And my pregnancy in health class video was just an example. We were given no fair warning of what it would be and we weren't allowed to leave class. I was underage and I saw a vagina and I didn't need parental consent....

Now that was just a specific example but I've also seen other things in school like videos on the Holocaust and other videos from WWI and WWII that honestly made my stomach turn more than the Nick Berg video.

It's only bad when it's something we don't want people to see and I'm sorry but that's straight bullshit.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

Rudey, Thanks for removing that picture.

[damasa]

Originally posted by Rudey
A) I had to sign a permission slip for sex-ed. I never saw any videos but I giggled at pictures only after that was signed. You may want to ask your parents just to be sure if you had to have permission as well. If my children were watching vaginas, I'd at least like some say in it.

B) This isn't an act of education to show how sick the world is. This was an act to say war is wrong and this is something that we deserved because we went to war. There were no videos and pictures of mutilated Iraqis who died at Saddam's hands. There were no classes on that. In fact it was shown even in an art class. Was this a topic of art?

C) Were this a college class dedicated to torture with advance notice to students with approval from all necessary people, it might be a different case.

-Rudey

You are entitled to your opinion as well as I am to mine.

I do know for sure however that I did not have my parents sign any sort of permission slip for my health class.

Maybe it wasn't "education" for the most part but I still feel it could be acceptable to be shown in a classroom. Because the world is a sick place and some people just don't realize that.

Maybe it was a political agenda and maybe it wasn't. Considering the fact that I wasn't there, I don't know what happened. I'm not sure if the teachers said anything along the lines of "this is why war is bad, this is why we shouldn't have gone to Iraq in the first place or this is what we deserve." Then again, just about every class I've encountered in the last few years has had some sort of political agenda (minus torture videos).

Ah fack it, maybe the teachers should have had permission first, but they didn't. Those students viewed a horrific event that affects all of us (or should to some degree).

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
Rudey, Thanks for removing that picture.

Wrong thread.

Again, I would never argue against the dissemination of information. I am very strongly in favor of freedom of speech. This wasn't simply a freedom of speech issue. If it was a class full of adults, if it was against a news source on the internet, etc. I would be upset that access was being limited.

-Rudey