Decry the prisoner abuse all that you want....

[mrblonde]

I understand, and what Im saying is that Im thankful for the people that keep a cool enough head for taking prisoners, because Im unsure Id be able to, in their situation. Its easy to forget civility and law when fighting for the survival of yourself and those closest to you, and taking a realistic introspective, I could see how I would forget them myself. Again, glad not to be over there.

Its simple to say, 'Yeah, well, Im not like you.' Perhaps. But in terms of torture, Milgram's experiment prove that the capacity to torture is in everyone, whether under threat of death, under orders, or simply out of some sense of anger or glee, whatever motivated those soldiers who tortured the Iraqis. I can say that it may take more than my personal feelings to kill the enemy, (and though they may not be soldiers, anyone taking shots at me is my enemy) but I cant say that it isnt possible. Sadly.

[Rudey]

Why isn't there global outrage over this around the world?

Why don't the Imams and Arab rulers say more?

-Rudey
--Because we are infidels to them

[The1calledTKE]

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Most Baghdad residents on Wednesday condemned al Qaeda's beheading of a U.S. civilian in Iraq, but many said his death was just the latest atrocity in a cycle of violence that is driving them to despair.

A Web site video showed a masked man cutting off the head of Nick Berg, a 26-year-old civilian, and said al Qaeda's leader in Iraq had personally carried out the killing in revenge for abuses against Iraqi prisoners.

Berg went missing last month when dozens of foreigners were seized by guerrillas after Marines launched a crackdown in the city of Falluja. The Marine operation followed the killing and grisly mutilation of four U.S. security guards in the city.

"The Americans killed hundreds in Falluja in retaliation for the mutilation of the four Americans and now those people are killing an American in retaliation for the torture of prisoners," said Arkan Mohammad, a cleric at Baghdad University.

"Someone has to do something to stop the cycle of violence from going on and on."

Even in the Baghdad Sunni Muslim stronghold of Adhamiya, where there is fierce opposition to the occupation, many residents were appalled by the decapitation of Berg.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.j...toryID=5119272

[PhiPsiRuss]

Originally posted by DWAlphaGam
I think the people who abused the Iraqi prisoners should be forced to watch the video of Nick Berg's murder over and over, a la Clockwork Orange, to see what their stupidity has caused. These psychotic extremists were looking for any excuse to do this, and the idiot prison guards hand-delivered it to them.

There is no correlation. At all. We are not causing the 300 years of Wahabism by our current actions.

[Peaches-n-Cream]

This is so sad for the Berg family. That poor man. I really don't think his execution had anything to do with the situation with Iraqi prisoners.

[Lil' Hannah]

Didn't you guys read this part of the article:

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib (search) and they refused."

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."

Sounds like correlation to me.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Lil' Hannah
Didn't you guys read this part of the article:



Sounds like correlation to me.

I like basketball.

I am going to smack my hand on the table because I like basketball.

I slapped my hand on the table, but it was to prove a point to you and not because I liked basketball.

-Rudey

[DZHBrown]

As horrifying and sad as the Berg murder is, I think that they just used the abuse as an excuse. They murder people all the time and they did the same thing to Daniel Pearl last year. I think they saw it as a good opportunity.

[starang21]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
As horrifying and sad as the Berg murder is, I think that they just used the abuse as an excuse. They murder people all the time and they did the same thing to Daniel Pearl last year. I think they saw it as a good opportunity.

co sign. the people who did this are terrorist. they don't need an excuse.

[moe.ron]

Originally posted by starang21
co sign. the people who did this are terrorist. they don't need an excuse.

yebo

[ajuhdg]

I agree with the last two posts.

There are only 63 days left on the 90 day extension. I'll be holding my breath the whole time!

aj

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by starang21
co sign. the people who did this are terrorist. they don't need an excuse.

co-sign the co-sign

[DWAlphaGam]

Originally posted by starang21
co sign. the people who did this are terrorist. they don't need an excuse.

I agree that they don't need an excuse, but that's no reason to give them one. It made them feel more justified in doing what they did.

[mrblonde]

News flash: Homicidal maniacs arent reasonable people. That 'excuse' is like a woman having shortish brown hair being an excuse for Ted Bundy to kill them.

[enlightenment06]

Originally posted by DZHBrown
As horrifying and sad as the Berg murder is, I think that they just used the abuse as an excuse. They murder people all the time and they did the same thing to Daniel Pearl last year. I think they saw it as a good opportunity.

I agree with your point that Berg's murderers probably were already murderers, as opposed to being created solely by the Iraqi prisoner abuse and torture photos.

However, I ask the question, who are "they?" Daniel Pearl was killed in Pakistan if I'm not mistaken. Whenever any of us speak of "they," who are "they?"

and "terrorists" is not an acceptable answer because it is too vague