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04-26-2004, 04:13 PM
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Like when she stops taking the pill?
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04-26-2004, 04:17 PM
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04-26-2004, 04:20 PM
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Like when she stops taking the pill?
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While, the woman should tell her man/partners that she is on the pill, he should never assume that a) she's taking it,
and b) she's taking it regularly. Also, remember it's not 100% effective. Women still do get pregnant while being on the pill, even if they are following the instructons to a T (but it is rare).
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04-26-2004, 04:23 PM
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These b-rods are taking over the world. They get pregnant intentionally to keep you if you're straight and then have their lesbian friends protest to support abortion to make it seem as if they ever wanted it.
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04-26-2004, 06:23 PM
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the issue of abortion is about having women's right to what they want with their bodies...
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This is where I disagree. A woman's right to do what she want's with her body is bs. There are a thousand things that are totally illegal to do with one's own body, whether you are male or female. I do not see how this one example out of many is always brougth up.
The bottom line is that 99% of those that chose to get an abortion do so for selfish reasons. They don't want the responsibilty, but do want to go around and have sex. The old cliche 'having your cake and eating it too'...maybe 1% make the decision to have an abortion for medical reasons.
I'm not against having sex by any means. However, if you make that decision-you had better be damn sure that you can accept all eventualities. Of course, in today's society that is way to much to expect of people.
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04-26-2004, 06:50 PM
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My take on the issue....
Before abortion was legal in the US, women had it done. Poor women hurt themselves (and their future chance to have children) with hangers, and rich women had their fathers or mothers hire doctors on the side to do it safely. Remember Dirty Dancing? If a law passes making abortion illegal again, abortion won't stop. It won't stop at all! Especially among the wealthy, and especially since there are new drugs and techniques that can easily be brought in from other countires, and there is a work force of physicians and nurses who know how to perform surgical and medical abortions who believe that it is a morally acceptable choice. If such a law passes, poor women without access to resources (rural areas) will be the hardest hit. Millions of women will still have abortions, and they will be disporportionately rich.
Also... there is a lot of debate about when a person becomes a person. Some people don't think an embryo is a full human being, and some do. These differences in opinion are due to many factors, one of the larger being religion. Now! Since we have a country that mandates the seperation between church and state, I object to people imposing their religiously-bases beliefs upon others. What one person decides is therefore spiritual, and is between herself, the father, and her respective God.
And while I'm all for having the choice to have an abortion, actually having one is a totally different issue!
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04-26-2004, 06:50 PM
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actually...
the march wasn't just about abortion, but addressed the larger issue of women's health. Unfortunately the "pro-life" and "pro-choice" arguments kind of drown everything else out, but the march wasn't just about abortion.
I was there as an observer, and I was really impressed with the diversity of the people there. Usually when I think of the stereotypical feminist, I think of an upper or middle class white woman; this was clearly not the case yesterday.
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04-26-2004, 07:05 PM
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Let me clarify
The march was not called "The March for Abortion Rights", it was called the "March for Women's Lives", and last time I checked, even lesbians were women.
I went yesterday and I thought it was absolutely amazing. You march all day and you have no idea how many people are there, but when I saw the pictures today I amazed and proud to be part of that. It was really interesting to see some many different women rallying behind this cause. It's times like these that I'm glad that I live in DC.
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04-26-2004, 07:08 PM
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Re: Let me clarify
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The march was not called "The March for Abortion Rights", it was called the "March for Women's Lives", and last time I checked, even lesbian women were women.
I went yesterday and I thought it was absolutely amazing. You march all day and you have no idea how many people are there, but when I saw the pictures today I amazed and proud to be part of that. It was really interesting to see some many different women rallying behind this cause. It's times like these that I'm glad that I live in DC.
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Last I checked lesbian women can't produce sperm yet.
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04-26-2004, 07:18 PM
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But they can still reproduce. So their reproductive rights count too.
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04-26-2004, 07:19 PM
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But they can still reproduce. So their reproductive rights count too.
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Yes I supposed spontaneous combustion could occur.
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04-26-2004, 07:28 PM
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I support a woman's right to choose.
But I'm not a fan of abortion. If it sounds confusing, well, for me, it is such a complex issue - reconciling my strong belief that women should control their bodies, but on the other hand hating the idea that an abortion might be necessary.
If those women feel threatened, and I don't think they should blame this on the President (his mother is for choice and Laura is quiet on the subject as well - what do you expect, they have uteruses like everyone else), then by all means get out and protest. But some of the stars are there to get on camera, pure and simple. And they sound dumb quite frankly. You almost feel embarassed for them.
There are legislators who would like to eliminate all procedures and partial birth abortion with its horrendous procedure has given them ammunition.
And finally, I do agree that these marches are heavily attended by those who prefer not to be with men anyway. If abortion was not an issue, they'd find another way to express their aversion to members of the opposite sex.
They are born with those feelings, but at times they seem to go out of their way - as if proving their sexual preference - to disparage men.
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04-26-2004, 07:38 PM
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I support a woman's right to choose.
And finally, I do agree that these marches are heavily attended by those who prefer not to be with men anyway. If abortion was not an issue, they'd find another way to express their aversion to members of the opposite sex.
They are born with those feelings, but at times they seem to go out of their way - as if proving their sexual preference - to disparage men.
I LIKE MEN!
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As someone who actually attended the rally, I just want to point out that the majority of the women there were not lesbians, not that even matters. They were women of all races, ages, income levels and sexual preferences marching. If you haven't personally attended one of those rallies, I just think that is a bad generalization to make about the pro-choice movement. A lot of heterosexual women care enough about their reproductive rights to gather together and make sure their message is heard, and I think that was demonstrated yesterday, despite which picture you might have seen.
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04-26-2004, 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by RedHotChiO
As someone who actually attended the rally, I just want to point out that the majority of the women there were not lesbians, not that even matters. They were women of all races, ages, income levels and sexual preferences marching. If you haven't personally attended one of those rallies, I just think that is a bad generalization to make about the pro-choice movement. A lot of heterosexual women care enough about their reproductive rights to gather together and make sure their message is heard, and I think that was demonstrated yesterday, despite which picture you might have seen.
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I saw flannel, large keychains, and short haircuts.
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04-26-2004, 08:47 PM
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These differences in opinion are due to many factors, one of the larger being religion. Now! Since we have a country that mandates the seperation between church and state, I object to people imposing their religiously-bases beliefs upon others.
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No one even brought up that PoV as a reason. Although, I do find it funny when people use the 'Seperation between church and state' card because most of them don't even understand how to use that in an argument.
Millions of women having abortions is...perhaps a tad of an over-estimate. I mean millions...there are only around 4 million births a year, so that would mean without abortions there would be a birth rate 50%+.
Doing what is right is bitter medicine.
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