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Old 06-25-2001, 02:39 PM
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I know good service when I see it. I tip based on services rendered. If the professional offering the service is not responsive, then my tip is not responsive.

However, I generaly give a standard $2 tip for "okay" service. For good to exceptional service, $5 and over.
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Old 06-25-2001, 02:50 PM
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I was a waitress for a few years back in the day...

I understand that people may not have a lot of money but I would never go out to a restuarant and sit down and expect for someone to serve me if I could not afford to tip them. If I cannot afford a tip or don't want to- I get take out...

- I feel 15% should be the minimum. I ALWAYS leave good tips when I go out because I know there are people who have no clue what a tip should be. My friends always say I tip too much- My motto " I am making up for the cheap skates that don't leave tips".

If you don't tip- I would caution you not to go back to that restuarant.. I have worked with people who are not so happy about it when you come back.... I would ignore people who did not tip me IF they were crazy enough to come back.... but some are not as forgiving...

Just something to think about!
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Old 06-25-2001, 02:59 PM
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I'm a college student, and I still tip. I feel if I have enough money to eat in the restaurant, I should have enough money for a tip. I used to work in TGI Fridays, and I know all about the tipping thing. I personally, don't think it's a black thing. I've gotten great tips, and 25 cent tips from all types of people. I think the worst tips were at the first of the month, when people would get their "govmen" checks, and would bring in eryone and they mama, order a whole lotta food, and then barely ahve enough for the tip. This is not just with black folks. Tips were also bad in the smoking section.

For great service, I tip 15-20%. If service wasn't so great, I'd tip 10%. I have many friends who are servers, so I see it as helping them with cash, like they did with me when I was a server.

And yes, if you are a frequent and good tipping patron, you will get the hook up...we don't forget who you are. Same goes for the not so great tippers...



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Old 06-25-2001, 03:04 PM
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Oh, here's a little story about tipping....

Two Nickles and Five Pennies
by: Unknown


When an ice cream sundae cost much less, a boy entered a coffee shop and sat at a table. A waitress put a glass of water in front of him. "How much is an ice cream sundae?"

"Fifty cents," replied the waitress.

The little boy pulled his hand out of his pocket and studied a number of coins in it. "How much is a dish of plain ice cream?" he inquired.

Some people were now waiting for a table, and the waitress was impatient. "Thirty-five cents," she said angrily.

The little boy again counted the coins. "I'll have the plain ice cream."

The waitress brought the ice cream and walked away. The boy finished, paid the cashier, and departed. When the waitress came back, she swallowed hard at what she saw. There, placed neatly beside the empty dish, were two nickels and five pennies--her tip.

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Old 06-25-2001, 03:28 PM
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I have been known to tip as much as $20 for a 15 dollar meal depending on the service. But the MIn I give is 5 dollars the max is unlimited(depending on the service, situation and waiter/waitress attitude) For Taxi Drivers no more than 7 dollars!

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Old 06-25-2001, 03:48 PM
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i might be the reason for the stereotype. i tip according to the service, but i have a philosophical problem with tipping. i have a masters degree and i do good work and i don't get any tips at all. i don;t buy the whole they live off of tips thing. they knew going in how much they were going to make. don;t complain after the fact. get a job with a fixed rate of pay and you won;t have to depend on the kindness of strangers for you livlihood. i hate that like i hate rude customer service workers. if you don;t like people then don;t take a job where you are supposed to be nice to people!
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Old 06-25-2001, 07:09 PM
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I couldn't wait to get to the end of this thread and reply!!!!! I have been a waitress for almost four years and encountered thousands of customers. I have received some outstanding tips and some terrible ones (rarely).
To answer the original "assumption" about "us" and tipping. I would say that in general Blacks are some of the worst customers. I hate to say it but in the world of food service their is no dispute. Since I am Black I go out of my way to give Black people the BEST service becuase I know when I go places I often get poor service becuase the servers assumes because I am Black I will not leave a decent tip. Even my college educated friends believe leaving two dollars is acceptable. First of all I truly beleive that as a whole many Black people were not taught that leaving 15% is proper protocol. Then they are often demanding, want a thousand "free" substituions, and are often unfriendly. It bothers me so much than when I go out I usually tip atleast 20% to make up for the last one. I know it sounds terrible, But I am going to take the time to say it:

If you nothing to complain about leave your server ATLEAST 15%!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!

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Old 06-25-2001, 07:33 PM
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Now in NYC b/c of people who don't tip, most restaurants add the gratuity directly on the bill. Usually that adds up to over $20 especially if we had drinks. Now if the service was extremely poor I will request that they remove the charge and tip what I deem appropriate...none the less I always tip.
Unfortunatley I usually get stuck with the entire tip. Just to avoid the bull-losh b/c some of my girlfriends are really cheap and petty. One has actually whipped out a calculator at the dinner table to count her share of the bill and tip! Can you say ghetto
To avoid this I usually pay the whole tip or ask for a seperate check all together. I shouldn't have to do this, but it avoids lots of arguments and when the check comes I pay mine, tip the waiter/waitress directly and bounce!!!! I prefer to watch these fools make a$$es of themselves from afar!!!

Now when I am on a date, if a man doesn't tip.. that is definately the last date for us. I recall one night this guy and I went for a late meal after catching the last movie. So it's about 2 a.m. We ate at a diner so the bill was only $22. Would you believe he had the nerve to ask me for $2 and still didn't tip the waiter. He was just plain cheap... he owned his own business was driving a GS400 and could tip!!!! That was the last date for us.
Was I too harsh? Brothas & Sistahs please let me know....what would you do?

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Old 06-25-2001, 07:38 PM
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Oh and the two people I really tip well:
My Nail technician and Beautician. I have been going to both since I was 18. They always take care of me, especially in emergencies. I send flowers on Mother's day and something extra during the Holidays. These are my girls and I don't ever want them to feel slighted, they might take it out on a sistah and jack my hair and nails up!!!! No seriously, they keep me looking tight..... I have to show 'em love.
And now my son's Barber! Don't want him to make a mistake and zeek my baby!!!!!

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Old 06-25-2001, 07:42 PM
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I worked as a waitress in high school and I can verify that Black people are some non-tipping mofo's. I always tip well unless the service was really bad.

I agree with you ohsoprettynikki, if a brother doesn't leave a tip on our date, that will be the last date.
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Old 06-25-2001, 07:55 PM
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As the daughter of a man who would buy over $120 worth of food for four people and leave $1 worth of quarters on the table, I have always made it a point to tip.

I usually tip %20 for good service and %25-%30 for exceptional service. I try to be understanding and will sometimes give a %10- %15 tip if I get less than good service. I have had one or two incidents where the waiter/waitress was downright rude (maybe because they assumed because I was black I was not a good tip), and they got nada, but they had to show their *ss not to get a tip.

Most of my friends are good tippers, but there are some of us who are just trifling when it comes to spending money that we aren't forced to.
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Old 06-25-2001, 08:50 PM
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The first thing I wanted to add about my last post was that when I worked hard as a server- most people when get upset and say OH SHT! when they got a group of black people who were young dressed in the lastest fads- Most figured they would not get a tip- and guess what the standard was you guessed it $2.00...

We always treated out people cool but just as it was said earlier- people wanted free food, and to change the menu but did not want to leave a tip!

Like I said before- if you don't tip- don't go back- I use to make it a point to remember faces of non-tippers or rude people!

Servers work hard and deal with a lot of bull for only about 2-3 dollars an hour. Those who say they don't deserve it- You try working as server for a week!
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Old 06-25-2001, 09:01 PM
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One has actually whipped out a calculator at the dinner table to count her share of the bill and tip! Can you say ghetto [/B]
Sweetie,
I have been a victim of this TOO many times. Sistas always have to whip out a calculator! When brothas go out they split the check down the middle, over tip, and bounce.

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Old 06-25-2001, 09:04 PM
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like i said, i was a waitress in high school too, and it is one of THE MOST mentally and physically challenging jobs out there...imagine being on your feet running around for eight hours with one ten minute break(if you're lucky) then imaigne dealing with all of the rude customers who feel they can speak to you any way they want and who confuse the word "server" with "slave" (yes servers do wear uniforms, but people can still say "please" and "thank you")... only to get a paycheck for about 50 bucks.
in my experience, black people weren't exceptionally poor tippers...it was usually elderly people and big groups of church people...go figure
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Old 04-17-2006, 05:59 PM
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'Crash' question: Do blacks tip less?

By Jane Engle
Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times
Published April 16, 2006

"That waitress sized us up in two seconds. We're black, and black people
don't tip," says Anthony, a character complaining about restaurant
service in a scene from "Crash," winner of this year's best-picture
Oscar.

That's not just Hollywood talking, a Cornell University associate
professor says: Research indicates that African-Americans, on average,
leave smaller tips for servers than whites do and that they're more
likely to leave nothing.

Professor Michael Lynn's latest report on this topic, "Race Differences
in Tipping: Questions and Answers for the Restaurant Industry," issued
in January, cites more than 12 studies by himself and others, most done
since 2002.

Discriminatory service may be a factor, but there appear to be many
others.

Poor tips, Lynn says, may contribute to black diners getting poorer
service and to companies' reluctance to open restaurants in
predominantly black communities, not to mention angering servers and
customers alike. And it fuels yet another debate about tipping, always a
hot-button topic for travelers.

Lynn doesn't discount the role of anti-black bias in any of these
problems. But he mainly sees this cycle at work:

Expecting skimpy gratuities, waiters resist serving African-Americans,
or they provide poorer service, which discourages blacks from
patronizing table-service restaurants. Low tips also make it hard for
restaurants in black neighborhoods to attract and retain staff, causing
turnover and decreasing profits.

Six years after Lynn, a respected expert on tipping at Cornell's Center
for Hospitality Research in Ithaca, N.Y., began to study the racial gap
in gratuities, the topic remains taboo, he says.

"It's a problem the industry knows about," says Lynn, who is white. "But
the big players with money are afraid to address the issue. They're
afraid of being labeled racist."

In an e-mail response, the National Restaurant Association, an industry
trade group in Washington, issued a statement saying it "commends"
Cornell "for addressing disparities in consumer tipping behavior," but
it did not specifically address the question of race.

Sue Hensley, spokeswoman for the restaurant association, said the group
hadn't researched this issue.

But she said it offers cards to restaurants, for distribution to
customers, that calculate 15 and 20 percent tips for bills of various
sizes. When that range became customary is not clear, but it was
recommended by travel magazines as early as the 1950s, according to the
association.

Gerry Fernandez, president of the Multicultural Foodservice &
Hospitality Alliance, a non-profit group in Providence, R.I., that
promotes diversity, finds merit in Lynn's findings.

"There absolutely is a perception that certain groups, African-Americans
in particular, do not tip as well as whites," says Fernandez, an
African-American whose grandparents hailed from Cape Verde, an island
republic off Africa.

Why black people may tip less is not clear.

Income disparities and discriminatory service may play roles, Lynn says.

But even when black and white customers are in the same socioeconomic
class or rate the quality of service equally, he says, several studies
by himself and others found that they tip differently. Black diners
average 10.9 to 14.7 percent of the bill, and white diners average 16.6
to 19.4 percent, depending on the study. The server's race didn't
matter.

Black subjects are also more likely than whites to say they never tip
servers (6 versus 2 percent, in one study) and to leave tips as
flat-dollar amounts instead of percentages of the bill (50.7 percent
versus 19.4 percent, in one study).

Lynn thinks the main reason that African-Americans tip servers less is
that most aren't aware that the usual guideline is 15 to 20 percent of
the bill. In one study, 35.9 percent of African-Americans identified
that range as the norm, versus 72.4 percent of whites.

Research data don't show why African-Americans may be less aware of the
15 to 20 percent guideline, Lynn added. But Fernandez and several black
and mixed-raced diners I spoke with recently had no shortage of thoughts
on this topic. They often cited economics.

Median household income for blacks in 2004 was 61 percent of that for
non-Hispanic whites, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. And nearly a
quarter of blacks lived in poverty in 2004, compared with 8.6 percent of
non-Hispanic whites.

If you grow up poor, Fernandez said, you don't eat out at fancy
places--or at all.

"If you're not exposed, how do you know the tip rules?" Kacey Towe, an
image consultant of Creole descent, said between bites of peach cobbler
at Harold & Belle's in the Crenshaw district of Los Angeles.

She and her black dining companion tipped their waiter--an acquaintance
of Towe's--$20 on their $80 dinner bill, 25 percent, at the upscale
Creole restaurant.

Not far away, in the Ladera Heights area, Stephaney Bell, dining with
her son Steven, 14, at T.G.I. Friday's, echoed the sentiments of several
diners when she said, "A lot of black people can't afford to tip as
well."

She also sounded another common theme: Some African-Americans base
gratuities strictly on how they're treated.

"Our expectations of service may be higher," she said.

Bell, who travels and eats out frequently as sales auditor for an auto
manufacturer, later tipped less than 15 percent because she was unhappy
with the service.

A few tables away, Renee Davis, a black graphic designer, said, "A lot
of white guys try to impress the table with a big tip. I'm not
interested in impressing the table." Contending that restaurateurs
should pay more so servers don't rely on gratuities, she said, "I have
problems with 20 percent for a tip. I'm doing 15 percent."

Fernandez sees other factors affecting tips too.

Some African-Americans may be "extremely sensitive" about service
glitches, he said, such as getting their food late, after other tables
are served, or being seated in the back. Such actions, whatever their
intent, may be perceived as racial slights.

"Remember the back of the bus?" he said.

In addition, poor service motivated by bigotry may occur "way more than
anybody wants to admit," Fernandez said.

Not everyone, of course, agrees that African-Americans tip less. Several
black diners I interviewed, in my unscientific sampling, said they
thought they tipped the same as or sometimes more than whites.

Rip Rahman, service manager at T.G.I. Friday's, who is of Bangladeshi
descent, dismissed race as a factor in gratuities, saying, "As far as I
can tell, it's all about the service."

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jane.engle@latimes.com

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