NJ Senate Approves Legal Recognition to Gay Couples

[Cloud9]

Um, save the soapbox. the fact that I put christians in quotations illustrates that I don't think that people who want to control the private actions of others are truly following the teachings of christianity. I'm catholic too, albeit not really practicing right now...but it doesn't really matter what religion I am. I have an understanding of what the teachings of christianity are, and I believe that people who want to control the love interests of other people are abusing those beliefs to further the agenda of their own personal prejudices and fears.

[rainbowbrightCS]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Um, save the soapbox. the fact that I put christians in quotations illustrates that I don't think that people who want to control the private actions of others are truly following the teachings of christianity. I'm catholic too, albeit not really practicing right now...but it doesn't really matter what religion I am. I have an understanding of what the teachings of christianity are, and I believe that people who want to control the love interests of other people are abusing those beliefs to further the agenda of their own personal prejudices and fears.

Oh, sorry about that, its just I live in the south were they like to talk about catholics alot and I get testy... just becuase I do not go their paticular church I am the devil's daughter.

[Colonist]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Um, save the soapbox. the fact that I put christians in quotations illustrates that I don't think that people who want to control the private actions of others are truly following the teachings of christianity. I'm catholic too, albeit not really practicing right now...but it doesn't really matter what religion I am. I have an understanding of what the teachings of christianity are, and I believe that people who want to control the love interests of other people are abusing those beliefs to further the agenda of their own personal prejudices and fears.

Genius ever heard of Leviticus, it teaches that homosexuality is wrong, but you knowing the teachings of christianity should know this. Also the catholic church has explicity come out and said that homosexuality in practice is immoral and unnatural.

[RACooper]

Originally posted by Colonist
Genius ever heard of Leviticus, it teaches that homosexuality is wrong, but you knowing the teachings of christianity should know this. Also the catholic church has explicity come out and said that homosexuality in practice is immoral and unnatural.

Well yes it did.... but historically it also proclaimed women to be flawed temptresses bent on corrupting a man's soul; it has also proclaimed a little thing called the crusades; what about the inquisition.

Point is that the Catholic church has made mistakes, and it is still paying for them. While I may personally disagree with using the term marriage (maybe civil union or something) or homosexual practices, that does not mean I condemn homosexuals. Condemning someone for being homosexual is as morally repugnant to me as they people that condemn people based on the colour of their skin.

[Cloud9]

Genius ever heard of Leviticus, it teaches that homosexuality is wrong, but you knowing the teachings of christianity should know this.

Genius, ever heard of Jesus, yeah, he spends alot of time talking about NOT JUDGING PEOPLE. So the church says it's a sin. Ok, so if you believe in that teaching, then it's on YOU as an INDIVIDUAL to decide whether or not to follow it. But YOU Colonist, are not God or Jesus, so keep your fire and brimstone for yourself, and worry about your own actions.

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by Cloud9
Genius, ever heard of Jesus, yeah, he spends alot of time talking about NOT JUDGING PEOPLE. So the church says it's a sin. Ok, so if you believe in that teaching, then it's on YOU as an INDIVIDUAL to decide whether or not to follow it. But YOU Colonist, are not God or Jesus, so keep your fire and brimstone for yourself, and worry about your own actions.

WHOA! Misinformation is abound. Jesus DID tell us what was a sin. I could go on, but I won't.

Colonist, just write your state's elected leaders and let them know how you feel.

[rainbowbrightCS]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
WHOA! Misinformation is abound. Jesus DID tell us what was a sin. The term "sin" was not made up first by the church. I could go on, but I won't.

Colonist, just write your state's elected leaders and let them know how you feel.

Yes, he did say what is and is not a sin. But he did that for our knowledge to judge ourself, no our others.
Chris

[Honeykiss1974]

Originally posted by rainbowbrightCS
Yes, he did say what is and is not a sin. But he did that for our knowledge to judge ourself, no our others.
Chris

Jesus came so that we would judge only ourselves and not for us to judge others by establishing a difference between right and wrong?

I'm leaving this thread before I get a headache because the misinformation is rampant.

Check out this thread for more information. Sorry, I'm being lazy, but it does contain post that apply to this discussion.

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...5&pagenumber=1

[onetime]

Originally posted by Colonist:
Genius ever heard of Leviticus, it teaches that homosexuality is wrong, but you knowing the teachings of christianity should know this. Also the catholic church has explicity come out and said that homosexuality in practice is immoral and unnatural.

What teaches you that you can pick and choose from the teachings in the books you cite as if they're some a la carté menu? Perhaps you have some autocractic touched by the Lord himself responsibility to pass judgment on what's valid?
Perhaps you can answer the questions in this (not written by myself) letter?

Dear ...,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can.

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I just simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination.
End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord Leviticus 1:19. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7.
In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness Leviticus 15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Leviticus 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

f) A friend of mine feels that though eating shellfish is an abomination Leviticus 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Leviticus 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Leviticus 11:68 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Leviticus 24:10-16 Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? Leviticus 20:14

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

etc.

[RACooper]

HAHAHAHAHA

ROFL

Excellent post.......

[Kevin]

Wha? We can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible to uphold?

My stance is still that morally, I don't really object. I'm just kind of fearful of the financial aspects of it. Insurance prices will definitely be effected as they cover the spouses in homosexual couples. They do still have a fairly high degree of HIV positive compared to heterosexuals, right? I really don't know what else might happen.

[sugar and spice]

Originally posted by ktsnake
Insurance prices will definitely be effected as they cover the spouses in homosexual couples. They do still have a fairly high degree of HIV positive compared to heterosexuals, right?

Well . . . I don't think lesbians do.

But gay men, yes.

[sphinxpoet]

Let me start off by saying I DO NOT SUPPORT the homosexual lifestyle. That being said in a society called a "democracy" that historically have found a minority to oppress it is not up to the Federal GVT to decide what marriages are and are not legal. That is a STATE issue. Remeber that states issue marriage certificates. Please be aware the moment we oppress others it is wrong. Jesus came into the world to be the voice of the oppressed and downtrodden. I am not saying he would support the gay lifestyle. Most likely he would be against it! But the reality is that he would see no group oppressed in the name of God!

Sphinxpoet

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by ktsnake
The Oklahoma Senate is now considering two measures. One that would make it illegal to recognize gay marriages in Oklahoma and another to forbid them. That's the Bible Belt for ya.

Why doesn't that surprise me one bit...?

<-- exiled from Oklahoma

[Rudey]

Originally posted by AlphaSigOU
Why doesn't that surprise me one bit...?

<-- exiled from Oklahoma

Chuck you're gay?

-Rudey
--That's cool! Me too!