HAVE YALL EVER NOTICED HOW BGLOS..........

[CuRiOuSiTy]

Rain Man:
I think everyone in here still has their head attached to their neck. No one's head has been bitten off. I think everyone who has responded to the original post and to yours has used a great amount of tact. They didn't have to be so nice.

But I completely understand where you are coming from, and I'm sure that those who responded to your post do too. But you have to try and understand where they as greeks are coming from.

Think about it:
Why should they answer the same question that was asked in a previous post when all anyone has to do is just scroll down and find the answers from the previous post?

What's wrong with them telling people to do "RESEARCH"
Usually if a person does they're research they will find everthing they NEED to know. If they don't then I guess they didn't NEED to know.

Greeks, correct me if I'm wrong.
1. Most of these questions come from "Interests."
2. To know that you want to be a part of something you would need to know something about it.
3. RESEARCH is necessary in finding out which one of the 9 BGLOs you want to become a member of. Why should anyone tell you the answers when they can easily be found annywhere on the net?
4. No greek is going to serve to anyone what is so close their hearts (anything that they had to work long and hard to earn-their letters, secrets, etc.) on a silver platter.

Don't feel upset if people don't answer in the manner that you would like. This is life. How often do you actually get what you want (especially when you're trying to get it from other people). Just my opinion.

[MaMaBuddha]

this back on forth thing....


i dunno...it doesn't make sense...these boards are for comfort and conversation.

it seems to get a little personal...



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[DELTABRAT]

Rain Man:

Just Noticed said:

"...is that it seems like everything is privelged information when the bglo greeks respond. I mean I am not trying to be disrespectful but seriously why do yall even bother with a public forum if you can not tell anybody anything or if you do tell
them somthing you just tell them to go and do your research.

I Know I see BGLO in that statement and I know I see a "yall" referenced in the statement, which implies that he/she is asking the question of BGLO members. NOT that no one else can answer, but he/she did say "why do y'all bother..."

AS far as the first response being a "look down", I think 33girl's response was far from that. I think, she. as a non-BGLO member, was addressing the issue from her standpoint, that of soemone who may or may not be interested. It pleases me thatshe could undertsnad what members mean when we suggest someone to "research." Additionally, in response to prettygyrl's posts, I would suggest treating posts and separate. That post has nothing to do with this one. Perhapsm that was the post that Just Noticed was originally referring, but that was a totally different post altogether. And prettygyrl did NOT specifically address the BGLOs, Just Noticed did.

There is also a difference between valid and appropriate. Please understand this. Just as in research there is a difference between validity and reliability. To be valid, simply means that the qiestion is in good form, and will probably produce quality results each time it is asked. However, inappropriateness implies that , although the question IS valid, it probably should be addressed in an alternative way. No one said the question was NOT valid or attempted to In-validate the question. Members simply said INAPPROPRIATE.

Finally, because you OBVIOUSLY know nothing about the processed throguh which BGLO members go throguh to be a member, I don't feel it necessary to defend myself as it pertains to humility.

You should THINK before posting statement simply for the sake of arguing...it really is unbecoming.

[DELTABRAT]

Rain Man said:

I guess I am saying to BGLOs, if you must respond, please be tactful, not hostile and
defensive. You don't know what the true motive of a person asking is, so just give a
response, that while they won't know anything more about your org they could otherwise
research about, they will know more OF the basic topic of the question asked.

That's a good point Rain Man. But, please also understand where many of us a re coming from when we feel that some people are really trying to get us to divuldge information that we feel they should attain on a more personal level. If you cannot, then it is not meant for you to understand, but don;t bash us for taking a stance.

Additionally I KNOW that part of the reason some respond the way they do is because we actually WANT people to think about the questions they are asking and the responses that they are seeking. Feel me? Maybe not...

PEACE

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[Rain Man]

(Originally posted by DELTABRAT)

"....because you obviously know NOTHING about the process through which a BGLO member goes through...."

Hold up, stop the clock, LONGSHOT!!! *screeching of brakes, sound of loud crash*
Advance to Level 6! (It's a "Whew" game show thang). www.geocities.com/~randy_amasia/whew/Longsht2.wav

Don't let my non-NPHC affiliation fool you. If you don't know what my process entailed, please do not make below-the-belt assumptions, because IMHO my process rivaled that of ANY BGLO AND I would do it again in a heartbeat!

Now with that outta the way...

I read your recent post and again, I agree. The general consensus of the BGLO members from what I read basically tells me that there is a form of "etiquette" for prospectives that we as Greeks take for granted as common knowledge based on our own personal experiences, but may not hold true for all prospectives.

I appeal to those out in Black Greekdom to write a book on Black Greek etiquette and to make what we know as inappropriate approaches to brothers/sisters asking for info on their respective organization(s).

I think Lawrence Ross should be commended for writing The Divine Nine, but I think this needs to go to the next level. I have seen individual webpages from various Black Greeks on how to approach members of the organization (IMHO, The DeltaNet's "So You Want To Be A Delta" is so far the BEST and most comprehensive of them all), but we need to publish something in bound print form, because believe it or not, not everyone is hip to the Internet, or uses it on a grand scale.

I'll even kick it off, if yall want me to.

Who's with me?

Peace and pizzagrease

Da Rain Man


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[DELTABRAT]

Rain Man:

I wasn't going to respond, but I have to...because I am an Internet Junkie...but that's another story.

I do not contest the respect and love you had for your intake process, indeed I don't know what it entailed. At the same time, because you don't know what mine entailed or any other members of BGLOs, I feel that your questioning humility was indeed, hitting-below-the-belt. I, in reponse, hit back. I shouldn't have done that, but I did.
If you are a man (as the name Rain Man implies), I apologize. Hitting women below the belt doesn't have quite the same *STING* for women as it does a male.

PEACE

PS

I would have e-mailed you personally, but..well...you know.

[Cookee]

Originally posted by Just Noticed:
i am interested in greek life but I do not quite know which way to go yet.

it seems like everything is privelged information when the bglo greeks respond.
seriously why do yall even bother with a public forum if you can not tell anybody anything or if you do tell them somthing you just tell them to go and do your research. Geez, lighten up some. Yall make a brother scared to even ask a question![/B]

Ok, I'm a bit confused here. On this forum and other forums, I have seen more than a couple of prospects who have "questions". As an interest myself, I just want to know what are these "questions" that seem so important that you MUST find them out from a BGLO member over the 'Net? If it was such an innocent and open question, then you could ask a member on your campus, right? Wrong, that's why I think most ask the questions here.

I don't think anyone is steered in the wrong direction or should be discouraged when someone says do your research. If you hear something enough times, don't you think there is some merit to it?

When I decided to pursue membership in a BGLO I read everything I could get my hands on that had to do with the subject. This means, use your LIBRARY and yes, the Internet. If you can't find out what you need to know by the public route, then it must not be for you to know.

It seems like everyone always wants to knock members of BGLOs when they can't find some information. And yes, I have seen those that seem to think they can speak in any disrespectful manner to a member and still expect to find out what they know. All behind the guise of their screenname. Be yourself, be respectful, attend programs and continue doing the things you need to do in order to better yourself as a person...TO ME this is all you need to know.

Sorry for the long post guys, but I feel like sometimes people are just afraid of a little hard work. No one said the road that leads to Greekdom would be an easy one.

I am not in anyway referring to anyone personally, but speaking in general, because as an interest I've seen this subject pass my way w/o a response too many times.

Take Care,
Cookee

[blu_theatrics]

Originally posted by Rain Man:
(Originally posted by DELTABRAT)

"....because you obviously know NOTHING about the process through which a BGLO member goes through...."

Hold up, stop the clock, LONGSHOT!!! *screeching of brakes, sound of loud crash*
Advance to Level 6! (It's a "Whew" game show thang).

Don't let my non-NPHC affiliation fool you. If you don't know what my process entailed, please do not make below-the-belt assumptions, because IMHO my process rivaled that of ANY BGLO AND I would do it again in a heartbeat!

But the fact remains that you are not a member of a BGLO so therefore you do not know the process.

[Rain Man]

Originally posted by blu_theatrics:
But the fact remains that you are not a member of a BGLO so therefore you do not know the process.

www.geocities.com/~randy_amasia/Block.wav
*BZZZZ* BLOCK! *trilon (flippy box) reveals a villian's head next to a red octagon with a diagonal slash in the middle*
Five second penalty!

Unless you PERSONALLY saw me on line for my fraternity, please DO NOT tell me what process I do and do not know.

Furthermore, assuming you are in a BGLO, the only process you can speak for is for your own organization and maybe Phi Beta Sigma's, if you are a Zeta. In all fairness, you CANNOT speak for any other GLOs process, simply because you are not a member.

Please proceed with another $ amount
(Another "Whew" thang)



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[DELTABRAT]

Rain Man:

You kill me with the beginning of your posts description thingy. I actually find myself trying to visualize what it is you are describing.

Anyway,

I really think you should listen to yourself speak instead of trying to argue. What blu_theatrics and I am saying is basically what you are saying. Just as we don't know what your process entailed (although you are adamant that it parallels that of a BGLO process...I won't even ask how you know this), you also don't KNOW what our process entailed, so please don't speak on that which you do not know.

I hate to sound childish but here goes...

"You started it." Yes, you did, with the whole humility comments from jump. You don't know what is learned as it applies to humility, so why speak on it.

By the way, blu_theatrics is a Sigma Gamma Rho...see...nevermind.

PEACE

[Corbin Dallas]

Did Rain Man ever say what Fraternity he was in? I don't recall it. He said he wasn't NPHC-affiliated. From what I understand, he could still be in a BGLO, or any other "non-traditional" (read not NIC or NPC) GLO that would be similar to those NPHC in the way the work, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's the impression that I get.

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Lambda Chi Alpha
Theta Kappa Chapter
Rose-Hulman Inst. of Tech.

[ZetaAce]

Corbin- RainMan is a member of Alpha Phi Omega.

ZetaAce

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[ManndingoNUPE]

Rain Man,

One of the things that I was taught, (and kontinue to be taught) is humility. I offer you an olive branch, with the knowledge that I somewhat understand your point, and hope that you can somewhat understand mine. We can agree to disagree on things.

MN

[Rain Man]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
[B]Rain Man:

You kill me with the beginning of your posts description thingy. I actually find myself trying to visualize what it is you are describing.

Deltabrat

Log on to www.geocities.com/~randy_amasia/whew/index.html

You will get the "Whew" homepage. Also, scroll down to the bottom and click on "Whew strategy" for more elaborate info.

In any case, your visualization should begin to crystallize (I hope).

Don't forget to click on the soundbites, 'cause they're cool.

I'm Out

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[Rain Man]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ManndingoNUPE:
[B]Rain Man,

One of the things that I was taught, (and kontinue to be taught) is humility. I offer you an olive branch, with the knowledge that I somewhat understand your point, and hope that you can somewhat understand mine. We can agree to disagree on things.

I accept your olive branch, and I couldn't have said it better myself. Keep on representin' and postin'

I'm Out