Another Weird Question - Page 2

Canadian AOII · #1 12-08-2003, 12:32 AM

random question for taualumna (just b/c you mentioned that you went to an all girls school - so did i) by any chance were you at havergal? they're the only girl's school i know that refer to its alum as old girls!

tunatartare · #2 12-08-2003, 12:33 AM

I can't speak for all people that undergo sex changes, but the majority of them do it because they are uncomfortable with their gender and feel like they can't fit in. In that case, I'd be really surprised if someone who was contemplating having this surgery would join a GLO for that gender. If John Smith was having issues with being a male and was contemplating becoming a woman, I doubt he'd join a fraternity or any other male- only organization.

Taualumna · #3 12-08-2003, 01:13 AM

Canadian AOII, I went to BSS (Bishop Strachan School). They are the "other" school that uses the term "Old Girl".

Little E · #4 12-08-2003, 01:32 AM

Ok, so I vote that it would be kinda hard to decide but I have a question.

Say Susie an ABC has a daughter, Betty. Susie gets a sex change, is Betty still a legacy to ABC?

or

What if Bob, ABC and Susie, DEF get together, they have a child, Joe. Joe gets a sex change, where is he a legacy?

GeekyPenguin · #5 12-08-2003, 02:09 AM

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Oh man! The GP could not believe her eyes.

I really know nothing about this, but I'm sure it's happened.

naraht · #6 12-08-2003, 02:33 AM

Nothing, Alpha Phi Omega is co-ed.

Randy

33girl · #7 12-08-2003, 11:19 AM

Side note, I just watched "The Christine Jorgenson Story" at 2 AM on Friday...dumb snow.

Here's how I look at it...when someone gets a sex change, they legally change their name. If I became 33boy, 33girl would no longer exist, so neither would my membership in my sorority.

Regarding legacies, though, if the person made a stink, they would probably consider the children legacies just to make things easier all around.

Meggie · #8 12-09-2003, 01:20 AM

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Our rules state that you must be male... so if you're not male, you're out.

Yeah...but according to the birth certificate, they are technically recognized by law as male, right?

Glitter650 · #9 12-09-2003, 01:58 AM

I think if you go through with the complete operation and change everything... that they change ALL your legal paperwork for you.. so you really are now opposite of what you were born. I assume though that your affiliation would have to end along with your old gender though. HOWEVER if you join AFTER the complete operation you can rush the organizations for your new gender.

Meggie · #10 12-09-2003, 02:06 AM

I am in the middle of finals, so the whole concept of a sex change operation and how that affects a GLO affiliation is frying my brain.

FratFred · #11 12-09-2003, 07:46 AM

That's like trying to figure out what happens when the black hole meets the unstoppable force, you know, it's like not something that we're able to figure out. Maybe I'm just speaking for myself but questions like that are just philosophy and i'm not about philosophy, I'm about just living my life, you know, and not worrying and just letting the days come and I'm chillin'. That's the way to live! No worries.

Kevin · #12 12-09-2003, 09:27 AM

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Yeah...but according to the birth certificate, they are technically recognized by law as male, right?

Fortunately, I have more faith in my organization than to think that they'd allow something like that to stand on a technicality. There is no legal requirment that we keep any member for any reason. They can be kicked out for anything. I'm sure if it was brought to the attention of our HQ that the individual would probably be gone.

As far as sexual orientation, dressing up as the other sex.. I don't see that being so much a problem. But when you go so far as to become a transexual, I'm pretty sure that's where they'd draw the line.

Sahara27 · #13 12-09-2003, 10:15 AM

My sorority is pretty well known for being unselective. We are a sorority however, so if we ever have a guy who says he's interested in joining, we TRY to suggest our brother fraternity, APO.

But last year we had a person who was a male-to-female transgender student want to join our org. We were excited to have her join, since she is one of the most interesting people I'll ever meet. Our sorority went through a lot to let her join -- the school and the other orgs did not like the idea at all, and fought us the whole way, until our Nationals contacted them all to remind them that we can take whoever we want.

I know this isn't the exact same situation, but I just wanted to share my story!

FSUZeta · #14 12-09-2003, 10:27 AM

i can't imagine that a transgendered person prior to sex reassignment would be interested in joining a glo, i.e. the interests of the transgendered male would "probably" be different than that of the average fraternity member(same for transgendered female). there is a girl at the school my son attends(he's in 8th grade) and she is definately one of those poor souls who has the misfortune of being in the wrong body;i.e., she is male except for anatomy. she strongly identifies with the boys and wears the boys uniform instead of the girls. i cant' imagine her wanting to join a sorority when she is in college.
and just to let you know, the school and all her classmates accept her for what she is- a lovely person.

ChaosDST · #15 12-09-2003, 10:37 AM

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My sorority is pretty well known for being unselective.