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Old 03-26-2003, 02:37 AM
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I did this in college. The guy was gorgeous, but I thought that I was the only one who noticed. I refered to him as my future husband and so did some of my friends. I didn't think that it was divine intervention, I was just a college sophomore and lonely. Some (many, most) of you know what I mean. It turned out that half of the female population (and a good portion of the male population) was after the hottie. I mean girls would chase him around campus and parties. It was pretty embarrassing. He was sweet about it, but I decided then and there that I would not chase men no matter how hot. That's how I get the hot guys now.
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Old 03-26-2003, 10:40 AM
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No only do woman (people) need to stop "claiming" husbands, they need to stop claiming Mercedes, .5 million dollar homes when they have no job and bad credit, etc.

What God has for me is for me. He already knows the desires of my heart AND what is best for me. Why do I need to claim something?
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Old 03-26-2003, 06:55 PM
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More women REALLY need to hear this. I have an example you won't believe:

My brother is 18 years old. He's a good looking guy, clean cut, works, bright, has a good future, athlete. How bout there is a woman who has been coming to my church for about 3 months now. She's a grown ass woman with a daughter who is around 17. Why, oh why....have they been scopin' my brother. This lady went to the PASTOR OF OUR CHURCH and wanted to set up a meeting with my mother to discuss plans for the future as far as her daughter and my brother was concerned. The pastor basically said there's nothing she can do about it. She told my Mother about it after service the following week. My brother doesn't even know that girl! This girl's mother really really wants her daughter to hook up with my brother. She approached my mother not long ago and complimented her on how she raised her kids ( ) and she wished someone like my brother would take interest in her daughter. SHE'S ONLY 17!! Let the girl breathe. The same woman keeps approaching my brother and inviting him over to their house for dinner and stuff like that. RELAX. And did she honestly think the Pastor could make my brother notice, like, fall in love, and marry her daughter. I couldn't make that up if I tried.
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Old 03-26-2003, 08:47 PM
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More women REALLY need to hear this. I have an example you won't believe:

My brother is 18 years old. He's a good looking guy, clean cut, works, bright, has a good future, athlete. How bout there is a woman who has been coming to my church for about 3 months now. She's a grown ass woman with a daughter who is around 17. Why, oh why....have they been scopin' my brother. This lady went to the PASTOR OF OUR CHURCH and wanted to set up a meeting with my mother to discuss plans for the future as far as her daughter and my brother was concerned. The pastor basically said there's nothing she can do about it. She told my Mother about it after service the following week. My brother doesn't even know that girl! This girl's mother really really wants her daughter to hook up with my brother. She approached my mother not long ago and complimented her on how she raised her kids ( ) and she wished someone like my brother would take interest in her daughter. SHE'S ONLY 17!! Let the girl breathe. The same woman keeps approaching my brother and inviting him over to their house for dinner and stuff like that. RELAX. And did she honestly think the Pastor could make my brother notice, like, fall in love, and marry her daughter. I couldn't make that up if I tried.
Now that is over the top!! Next thing you know ol' girl is going to be offering 2 goats, 20 yards of fine linen and a Lexus for her dowry! That's just plain silly! She must have read that Newsweek article and really got scared!
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Old 03-27-2003, 12:22 PM
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Exclamation Ladies, Pardon Me....

I am loving this discussion, the story was interesting, but the commentary at the end was more interesting to me. I think the fact that many women "claim husbands in the name of Jesus" more so than men speaks to two phenomenon that take place in the faith world- (1)the hopes and desires of people become intertwined with what those people perceive as the will of God. Consequently when these desires do not come to pass, the people then begin to either question the validity of God or their own faith in God. (2) Many times,what we define as God's will is actually just a societal norm, and in this case, the expectation that women, to find self worth, ought to be married. Men, on the other hand, only have to be men in order to find worth in this society. The onus is not to get married, but to dominate women, through sex, buying them, or having many of them.

If we, people of faith, are really honest with ourselves, we sometimes find ourselves doing the exact same things that these women do, believe that what we want is what God wants for us. What this actually does is leads us to a form of idolatry (worship of the self). Submission really can't be about claiming anything, rather, it should be about learning,growing, and accepting what is, and that is the will of God.

As an aside, these testimonies about women being so desperate to find men that they claim men in God's name speaks to several things; bad theology, these women simply affirming a patriarchal societal norm that women need men to be "blessed by God", and the willingness of "people of God (prophets and such)" to use these hopes and dreams of people to assert some kind of power and moral authority over people ( going to the prophetess, the pastors telling people God will give you "the desires of your heart" etc.). To combat all of this, our churches need to become places of theology,where people come and think critically about the issues of God, faith, purpose, and culture. Now, our churches seem to be teaching us a form of self worship in that God is here to be our Genie in the sky so to speak, giving us everything we want if we believe enough and have faith enough to "plant a seed" with our offerings .
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Old 03-27-2003, 12:25 PM
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It's amazing!

This allllll goes back to the recent thread in the Alpha forum about the church, the leaders of the church, and the people in the church.
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Old 03-27-2003, 12:38 PM
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Re: Ladies, Pardon Me....

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Now, our churches seem to be teaching us a form of self worship in that God is here to be our Genie in the sky so to speak, giving us everything we want if we believe enough and have faith enough to "plant a seed" with our offerings .
Blackwatch!!!!!!
I agree w/ everything you said especially this statement. My pastor says this all the time.

It's funny how peeps think that God is more concerned with their "outer man" than their "inner man". He doesn't bless mess!
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Old 03-27-2003, 02:52 PM
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Deep stuff! Great story!
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Old 03-27-2003, 04:54 PM
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Re: Ladies, Pardon Me....

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As an aside, these testimonies about women being so desperate to find men that they claim men in God's name speaks to several things; bad theology, these women simply affirming a patriarchal societal norm that women need men to be "blessed by God", and the willingness of "people of God (prophets and such)" to use these hopes and dreams of people to assert some kind of power and moral authority over people ( going to the prophetess, the pastors telling people God will give you "the desires of your heart" etc.). To combat all of this, our churches need to become places of theology,where people come and think critically about the issues of God, faith, purpose, and culture. Now, our churches seem to be teaching us a form of self worship in that God is here to be our Genie in the sky so to speak, giving us everything we want if we believe enough and have faith enough to "plant a seed" with our offerings .
Blackwatch!!!!!!
Preach Rev. Blackwatch

You know what else. . ."NAME IT & CLAIM IT" theology has ruined a lot of folks as well. I claim this, I claim that, and when those things that were claimed in Jesus' name do not come to pass, people lose faith in God.


I was at a church (won't be going back either) 2 weeks ago that had all of the tithers stand in the aisles and wave their envelopes and I was totally sickened at the "boasting" mentality that this church advocated with this display. He was essentially telling these people that once you give to God what he is due, he will give you what you want.

I have been taught that GOD will BLESS you with what you NEED not what you want and in HIS time, not my own. I don't walk around claiming things, but I do dream about what I want and I put my feet to faith and get to working on making my dreams a reality if it is God's will.
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Old 03-28-2003, 04:25 AM
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More women REALLY need to hear this. I have an example you won't believe:

My brother is 18 years old. He's a good looking guy, clean cut, works, bright, has a good future, athlete. How bout there is a woman who has been coming to my church for about 3 months now. She's a grown ass woman with a daughter who is around 17. Why, oh why....have they been scopin' my brother. This lady went to the PASTOR OF OUR CHURCH and wanted to set up a meeting with my mother to discuss plans for the future as far as her daughter and my brother was concerned. The pastor basically said there's nothing she can do about it. She told my Mother about it after service the following week. My brother doesn't even know that girl! This girl's mother really really wants her daughter to hook up with my brother. She approached my mother not long ago and complimented her on how she raised her kids ( ) and she wished someone like my brother would take interest in her daughter. SHE'S ONLY 17!! Let the girl breathe. The same woman keeps approaching my brother and inviting him over to their house for dinner and stuff like that. RELAX. And did she honestly think the Pastor could make my brother notice, like, fall in love, and marry her daughter. I couldn't make that up if I tried.
Dang...so that's what you were telling me about? Girl yeah, ya'll need to nip that chit in the bud!!!
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Old 03-31-2003, 07:34 PM
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I have to totally agree with your last comment. God will give you what he knows that you need. Instead of praying for a man, just learn to thank God for all that you have in your life. He knows better than we do what we need and when we need it.
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Old 04-02-2003, 01:36 PM
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That was really deep. I know sometimes in the back of my mind when I meet a guy I wonder if he could be my husband. That was a great read and I will pass it along to all the other women who need to read it

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Old 07-18-2003, 11:17 AM
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WHAT DOES GOD'S WORD SAY ABOUT...CHOOSING A MATE?

We know that it is the Lord's will for people to have a mate if they desire one. In the beginning when God created Adam, God Himself made this statement: "... It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a help meet for him" (Genesis 2:18). The Lord wants to bring a mate to those who will ask Him and have the patience to wait for His choice.

There are some single people who are constantly out looking for a mate, and they are miserable because God has not sent them one yet. They have prayed and prayed, yet they still have no mate. Some settle for Satan's provision instead of asking God for the patience to wait for the one whom He would send. If they would look to Jesus and seek to please Him, rather than being concerned about a mate, soon they would find the right one crossing their path. Looking for a man or woman to just keep them from being lonely or just to fill their needs or to be a father or mother to their children should not be the only reasons for desiring a mate. They also need to be concerned about what kind of husband or wife they would be for a mate. These single people are still much in the flesh if they just want their own needs met. They should ask the Lord to fill them with His love and peace.

Being single is an important time to prepare us for marriage. It can also be a time to experience a closer communion with God. As we seek God to cleanse us of the world and help us become the kind of wife or husband that would bless someone, we will soon find that we are not lonely. First, the Lord would begin using us to bless others; then we will find we are content in Him. Eventually, in God's plan and timing, He will bless us with a wonderful mate so that both lives can be a witness for Him. We believe if a marriage cannot glorify the Lord, then it would be better to remain alone. There are worse things than being alone. One of these is to be out of God's will by compromising and marrying someone who does not feel the same way we do about the Lord.

Marriage is the second major choice we make in our lives, and we should never enter into it without much prayer. To rush into a marriage can be disastrous. The most important decision of our lives, of course, is our decision to follow the Lord. This decision is not a one-time declaration, but a daily determination to follow Jesus above all. If we allow the emotional or soulish realm to dominate our lives we become more susceptible to the enemy leading us astray through someone. This area of the flesh should be brought under the Lord's subjection so that Satan does not get the advantage and consequently destroy our lives and ministries. So many have failed the Lord because they chose a man or woman over the Lord.

We find this true throughout the Bible, too. Solomon's heathen wives led him into idolatry. Samson lost his eyes because of a woman, Delilah. David committed murder because of passion for Bathsheba.

Our emotions need to be cleansed as they are not the sign of love. The true definition of love is "God is love." If God is not in a relationship it is not true love. What this world calls love is really lust since it is built on what the other person does for me, not what I can do for him or her. If the other person fails to keep up his end of the bargain, a divorce occurs because the offended mate is no longer pleased. This is the attitude of the world's so-called "love." God's love loves without receiving back; God's love is forgiving and patient. God's love is gentle and kind. God's love waits. God's love sacrifices.

1 Corinthians 13 in the Bible gives us a beautiful definition of real love: (In this King James translation the word "charity" means "love.")

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Man's emotions are not a reliable gauge upon which to establish a marriage relationship. We must know in the Spirit that it is God's will. It is much better to marry for character than for emotion. Emotions fluctuate; character doesn't. Emotions are in the soulish realm, and unless the carnal mind has been renewed, Satan can give us emotions or feelings of love for someone of his choosing. (If he did not have this in his power, he could not split up marriages.) One of his favorite techniques is to suddenly take away the feelings one once had for his mate and give feelings for someone else. When he has successfully convinced a person that he no longer loves his or her mate, then he leads them to divorce, whispering, "You are living a lie." After he has destroyed that marriage, he then leads one to marry again by stirring their emotions for another. Often after their next marriage something happens that they do not expect. Before too long, friction begins to develop with the new mate, then arguing. Finally, they find the same thing has happened again; they feel no emotion for their new mate and the next divorce is in the making. "Falling" in love is Satan's way. The very _expression of these words should tell us something. A Christian should not blindly "fall" into any trap. Love is bigger than simply falling for someone. Certainly, the Lord gives us a wonderful emotional feeling for the one we are to marry. However, this "feeling" without God's direction can be disastrous as Satan can tamper with our emotions and feelings too.

Marriage, in a Christian's life, should be based on a decision directed by the Holy Spirit. A Christian's love for another is a commitment. Of course, the Lord will supply the emotions for the mate He sends, but that should not be the criterion for making the decision to marry. The Lord should be sought, and whatever He speaks to us we should do. He knows the future and what is best for us. If we trust Him He will not fail us in this or any other important area. Women or men who allow emotions to rule them will never be victorious Christians. Emotions should always follow, never lead.

During Old and New Testament times, fathers and mothers chose the mates for their children. God's people were very careful to choose those who were "believers." We find this practice still prevalent in India and other Eastern cultures. The parents, being older and more prudent, made wiser decisions than the children in this area. The divorce rate in India is only about 7%, whereas in the USA, at the present, it is nearing 50%. Marriages that are loveless can be saved and restored simply by asking God to restore the love that was once there. Sexual relationships can also be healed by praying for a desire for one's mate. Prayer is a mighty weapon. God's love can mend and heal, providing people are willing to lay down their lives for their mates. His love will not fade, as does the love of the world.

Those who are single and have never been married are cautioned in God's Word to seek a mate who is a like believer. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (2 Corinthians 6:14)." Many precious people suffer because they are living with unsaved mates. Some did not have Christ when they made their marriage decision, but they have since found the Lord. Those will have God's grace and love to win their mates for Jesus. The Lord always strives to bring the lost mate to Himself through the partner who knows Him. Mighty miracles of deliverance and salvation have occurred when people have endured suffering in order to bring their mates to the Lord. Those people who have the light, but choose to marry into darkness by yoking themselves to unsaved mates find that their flesh has led them away from God.

The Lord wants to bless marriage unions and see His plans fulfilled in both mates' lives. What a glorious plan He had from the beginning for both male and female. We can trust Him in this important decision. If we will totally commit to do His will we will never be disappointed in the one He sends into our lives.

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Settle For A PLAYMATE When GOD Has A SOUL MATE Waiting For US!!

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Unless the LORD builds the house, its builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchmen stand guard in vain




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Old 07-18-2003, 12:38 PM
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This is really good! We could all learn something here!
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Old 07-18-2003, 08:54 PM
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One good piece of advice, if you see someone all the time, and he speaks all the time, because you are smiling and responding all the time, why don't you just ask him if he's single?

Mz Sports Luva...that is the situation I'm in now...what is it about the gym?
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