How were calls started in BGLO's???

[AKAtude]

Well, if anyone has been hearing the calls for years on your campus (or anywhere for that matter), then common sense would tell you that yes, it is done between one frat/sorority member to another. I knew that without anyone telling me. If you observe then you will learn.

[DELTABRAT]

To all those who do not understand why such information is considered priviledged then that's probably why you don't know. The original question was how and who started the calls then it asked why the calls are done.That IS indeed priviledged information. I get "something" when people act like people in BGLO's are like frontin' or trippin' when we say information is priviledged. It really is! Who came up with the calls first is something that MAY be answered privately. The why portion is DEFINITELY for members of respective organizations ONLY!!! I think the basic "when" question is obvious. You see people calling to their Sorors/Frat in public places. What else is there to know?
When I sought DST, yeah, I was like WOW about EVERYTHING Deltas did. But I never made it my business to ask certain questions. It just seems obvious to me that there would be things you wouldn't and shouldn't know. My MOM and GRANDMA and all my AUNTS (except one who is a Zeta) wouldn't tell me ANYTHING even if I asked. Even while I was pledging the Sorority, they were like...you'll find out when the time is right.

[12dn94dst]

"I didn't imagine that giving someone the basic history of the calls (i.e., who started doing it first) was such priveleged information."


It's not that it's priveleged per se, it just that if we tell every Sue, Melissa, Monique, Derrick and Tyrone things like when and where calls started, which chapter did a particular well known step first, etc., in addition to them being able to find out our national histories before they pledge, what would we have to teach them when they are pledging (other than the rituals and secrets)? Nothing would be new information. We'd like to have something different to tell them, something to make them even more proud of their choice, something to make them say "Wow, I didn't know that."

Kel

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by AKAtude:
Well, if anyone has been hearing the calls for years on your campus (or anywhere for that matter), then common sense would tell you that yes, it is done between one frat/sorority member to another. I knew that without anyone telling me. If you observe then you will learn.

Why does it so often seem that the moderators on this post can sound so hateful in their responses? AKATude - your response really makes me wonder about how non-greeks view the greek system as a whole. I don't understand how a person is supposed to know not to ask a question. I have been asked numerous times by non greeks a question that relates to secret information. My reply to them is (and always has been) "I'm sorry but that information pertains to initiated members only." They then respond with "oh - sorry" or something on that line. Why would I ever want to reply hatefully or sarcastically that its none of their business. I think the posts on here were very straight in saying they weren't seeking personal or private information. And yes - if I had thought to ask the history of the calls, I would certainly have asked an AKA on our campus because the AKA's there are known for being very friendly, outgoing, and classy ladies. I have never heard one of them being anything but gracious to a poor soul who did not know that he or she was not supposed to ask a question. I just think that these type of responses really reflect poorly on the greek life system as a whole.

[prettygyrl]

As far as Bglos are concerned they all have national websites and alot of their chapters have websites also. These different sites are out there for those that are interested to to get basic (what you need to know) information. If there are questions one might have that are not answered on any website or in any book that may be published about each org then one should assume that the answer to such questions are on a need to know basis. If such info is not out there for you to get a hold of then it must be something sacred for the members to know. I mean if we learned EVERYTHING during our research what would be the purpose of them teaching us anything. I do not think that the members of the BGLOS were trying to be mean I think that maybe that just figured one would already know their limitations on what to ask and what they are allowed to know. Thats just my $2.10.

[AKAtude]

AXO,

You have the right to your own opinion. I make no apologies for my responses because I don't bite my tongue. I did not start out being sarcastic, but simply making an observation about something that was posted.

Since you don't know me, then you don't know how approachable I am. If someone came up to me and asked a question that I could not answer I would be kind to them, flash my smile and dimples and say "I'm sorry. I can't divulge that information, but will tell you what I can." Anyone who has even sent me personal e-mails knows that for a fact.

If you get a different impression of me by my post, then there is nothing I can do about that.

[ZetaAce]

AXO Alum-

I think the reason why some of us get 'irritated' is because a lot of people who are interested in our organizations try to get 'more information' on the internet that they know they wouldn't get from talking to a member in the Student Center (for example).

If a person has asked a question of one of our members before and gotten a nice response saying "it's privelaged" and then ask the exact same questions on the 'net hoping to get more it's just disrespectful in my opinion. (I am referring to interestedGDI's post not any others). Interested said that she has asked someone before, I'm willing to bet they gave her/him the same exact response.

I very rarely give nasty responses when someone asks me a question about Zeta, BGLOs, etc. but sometimes people can be downright rude!! Especially on the net.

ZetaAce

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by AKAtude:

Since you don't know me, then you don't know how approachable I am.

If you get a different impression of me by my post, then there is nothing I can do about that.

I didn't regard YOU personally as being approachable or not in person. But should it matter? Shouldn't you represent your org. with a "smile" on the net when replying to a question that had no harmful intent? Did I misread the "Happy Now?" in your other post as being a bit on the sarcastic side?

Again I ask How is a person supposed to know what questions not to ask?

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by ZetaAce:
AXO Alum-

I think the reason why some of us get 'irritated' is because a lot of people who are interested in our organizations try to get 'more information' on the internet that they know they wouldn't get from talking to a member in the Student Center (for example).

ZetaAce -
I posted this on another thread but wanted to copy it here so you'd see it! Thanks for posting this information - you really helped me understand this issue from your viewpoint!


"Once again I must commend you on your exemplary efforts at replying and
posting with grace and style. Your posts are very educational & informational, and
although we may not always agree on certain topics, you always make me proud to be a
member of the greek system! Just wanted to say thanks!"

[AKAtude]

Yes, I was being sarcastic with that statement. However, I didn't think my first response was defensive to begin with. In my opinion, if someone has doubts about posing a question to a frat/soror in person, then maybe they shouldn't ask.

Someone hit the nail on the head when they said that if we tell everything now, what is there for them to learn and look forward to when they are initiated? Also, ZetaAce was correct that people use the interenet to get information they know they would not get otherwise.

As I stated before, I make no apologies for being direct.

[ManndingoNUPE]

Not to beat a subject to death, but we ALL need to be carefull about information that is given over the internet. One of the beauties of the internet is that I can say and express anything that I want from the comfort of my home or office, and not have to divulge who I am. Basically you never know who you are talking to on-line. For all you know, I may not be a member of Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc. (I am of course), but you don't know.

I know brothers that have been asked secrete informatio by people on-line. We really need to be very carefull about what we say on-line. This is not a swipe at non-greek members (I hate the term GDI), but there is information that really shouldn't be shared with you, or anyone outside of our respective organizations for that matter.

Respectfully,

Manndingo Nupe

[DELTABRAT]

AXO,

I think the issue here (as with alot of posts I have read and responded to) is that when people write it is difficult to conclude what type of feelings they had when writing it. I think some people are obviously overly rude and sarcastic. I didn't think AKAtude was. But if she was, perhaps that's her personality. I personally think it is obvious what questions to ask and not to ask. Some people come onto these boards and ask questions they KNOW they shouldn't and try to disguise it as PUR inquisitiveness. "Just a Question...no harm intended but what do your sorority colors mean?" Then they put all these happy faces and stuff to make it seem innocent.

You feel me?

I pesonally feel tis e-mail stuff leaves a lot of miscommunication issues to abound.

Just my $19.13.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by DELTABRAT:
I personally think it is obvious what questions to ask and not to ask. Some people come onto these boards and ask questions they KNOW they shouldn't and try to disguise it as PUR inquisitiveness. "Just a Question...no harm intended but what do your sorority colors mean?" Then they put all these happy faces and stuff to make it seem innocent.

You feel me?

Am I going to get sued for sexual harrassment if I say "yes" to the "feel me" part? That was just a joke for anyone who may not catch it

That part, about the pure & innocent routine, I do wholeheartedly understand. But I just don't see how a person (being non-greek) is supposed to know or not know whether to or not to ask a question (geez...now I've got the lawyer speak going on ) I think it is obvious sometimes (such as the "what does your crest mean" kind of thing), but others aren't so obvious (like for me the colors thing because the choosing of our colors is not secret info). The whole point of me even contributing to any of this is I just don't want a non-greek to be turned off (by comments like "happy now?" and other intended sarcastic remarks) and decide to revert to the stereotypical image of greeks (that we're too good for anyone, we're all snotty, etc.) AKAtude even said she was being sarcastic and said this was being direct for her. I just try to speak to people the way I would want to be spoken to, whether on the internet, phone, in person, whatever. But thank you for your comments - you have helped further my understanding of this issue

WOW!!! I didn't think that I would get such a response to this question. I understood that it was privlaged information because I was told that by Finer Woman10-A-91... can we all forget about it now? I have asked a greek this and they told me in simple terms to "do your research"
so that is what I thought I was doing...

AXO Alum has a good point, how does one know what to ask when they don't know. AKAtude, you are absolutly 100% correct in regards to the classification of that information, BUT you came across kind of COLD No is asking for any apologies, because you were right, but it's not always what you say(type), but how you say(type) it.

Much LOVE for everyone ALWAYS!

Well said 12dn94dst and ZetaAce