Greek acceptance in the church!

[ahhkbah]

I was recently told I am going to hell several times over. First I am going to hell because I am greek, second I am going to hell because I've got a brand and several tattoos. I refuse to believe that my God will condemn me because of the way I've marked my body. The God I pray to told me to come as I am, flaws and all for he will accept me...AS I AM.

[tcsparky]

My mom would't let me join a sorority because "those social clubs" and "secret societies" weren't Christian. I wish she had known more about them. By the time my sister, who is 9 years younger, was in school, I had educated my mom, and my sister pledged. Sometimes all it takes is letting the person know what is really going on.

[Q-T Pie]

ahhkbah
We are saved..I've found the infamous quote.

virtuosity
Isaiah 33:22 actually says:

"Indeed the Lord will be there with us, majestic;

yes, the Lord our judge, the Lord our lawgiver,

the Lord our king, he is who will SAVE us."

This means that he will judge EVERYONE, even you, & that he is here to SAVE, even you, not send to us all hell!

[dc1]

[A true Christian would not continue to participate in a club or organization that has a false god as its symbol/patron/mentor.

If these organizations' rituals were brought out into the open, observed and researched, then it would help us put an end to their evilness.]

Virtuosity (Fred Hatchett),
Take care when "preaching" to those that do not follow your personal version of the scripture (or religion in my case).. I take offense at having Bible verses thrown in my face, especially when they are random pickings intended only to prove a point.

I could continue on a biblical debate with you, but 1) don't feel that this is the correct forum and 2) don't feel like wasting my time with you on this subject.

A quick note on false prophets (i.e. those that twist the "word" for their own good)

Jeremiah 14:14-15
Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.
Therefore thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that prophesy in my name, and I sent them not, yet they say, Sword and famine shall not be in this land; By sword and famine shall those prophets be consumed.

*Note: I apologize for putting this on this board, however "virtuosity" has regretibly neglected to put his email address on his profile.

**Further Note: I mean no offense to those that may be offended. I am merely trying to make a point that anyone can pick and choose random "phrases" from the bible to prove their point.

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Faced with the Divine, I was asked; "What one gift do you seek?"
I answered ever so meekly; "I seek Honor, Truth, Integrity, and Wisdom, yet those are four. How am I to choose?"
The answer came as a pounding whisper; "The four you seek are but one. I grant thee Compassion; for without it the four make none."
Author - me

[mgdzkm433]

Just another note about worshiping other gods. The verse says "Do not worship any god before me." It doesn't say that there are no other gods, it just says don't put them before GOD. So, with that said, it's almost as if the Bible is admiting there are other gods. hmmmmm. And it doesn't say you can't worship them, if just says don't put them first. hmmmmm. So wouldn't that mean that any other god wouldn't be false? And, if we use a god/goddess as our 'patron' in our greek organizations, we are just using that patron for one thing, yet we still attend church and proclaim Jesus as our saviour, we are putting him first. So our using the patron isn't coming first, our church is, God is because we proclaim him our saviour. Just something to think about.

Oh, and one more point. Christians recognize the stories of greek gods/goddesses as myths, as never actually being real. So that's not worshiping. We only worship what we believe. If we don't believe that these gods/goddesses are real, then we never worship them. Christians worship God because they actually BELIEVE in him/her. So really, the whole thing is a pointless topic.

[This message has been edited by mgdzkm433 (edited October 10, 2000).]

[pinkice9]

I can't speak for all greeks but, AKA was founded on Christian principals and we do not worship any gods. We are considered greek because of our letters of our organizations. The thought that greeks worship any greek gods is false. Again I can only speak for AKA and for this much I can say is true. If we are greek it does not mean that we don't chose Jesus as our Lord and Savior. I know I do.

Pinkice 9

Originally posted by virtuosity:
I think this is a great topic to discuss. The college students involved in these organizations need to realize what they are really in. Knealing down before people, dressed in all black with candles lighting the room is kind of freaky- would you think so?
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If we read the Bible, we can see that the very first commandment says "Do not worship any god before me." The 10 Commandments also contain the statement that we should not make an idol for ourselves to worship. Therefore, any type of organization which involves idols (such as Minerva or Demeter), is evil. Greek organizations that have a goddess or god as their patron, are bad because this type of thing promote the worshipping of FALSE GODS.

A true Christian would not continue to participate in a club or organization that has a false god as its symbol/patron/mentor.


If these organizations' rituals were brought out into the open, observed and researched, then it would help us put an end to their evilness.


You know that ancient temple... the one where the Eleusinian Mysteries (Demeter's Cult) were held (at Eleusis)? It was destroyed by the Christians. Any true Christian would know, deep inside their heart that an organization that involves strange rituals and false gods is evil.

God is a loving god and if we turn away from these evil organizations and denounce them, he will help free us from their binds.

God is a Judge, and he judges these organizations, and those who are involved with them. Isaiah 33:22

As Christians, we need to team up together and fight against wrong doings- I believe that many of these GLOs are founded on evil principles.

I hope that Chi Omega is the only Greek organization that does this kind of thing. Am I wrong?

[Q-T Pie]

I am sorry if my posting a biblical quote offended anyone. I truly did not mean it to. I think the fact that going to a school, for half of my life, where everyone has the same beliefs, often aids me in forgetting that I'm not there anymore. I simply wanted to post the REAL quote & show how it did not mean what it was said to have meant. Again..hope no one was offended.

Allison

[mgdzkm433]

It's amazing how the definition varies as to what a 'true christian' is between people. Ya know folks, go with what YOU think is right, and to heck with everyone else. Follow what YOU believe. People have done it for years (hense various denominations/religions). People use their definition of a 'TRUE christian' as a defense, AND an attack. Don't let people scare you or intimidate you with THEIR definition. You all have enough sense to decifer what you believe on your own. Who is anyone to tell you what is right or wrong? The Bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". If people are trying to tell you that you aren't a Christian, then they are just condemning themselves according to the Bible. It says that those that judge others will suffer a worse fate than those they judged. Maybe a TRUE christian doesn't concern themselves with what others do?

[Texas Alum]

Dear virtuosity:
Did you see my earlier post in this board? It applies here too. Do you think that no-one notices that you are going through the archives and digging up OLD DEAD threads just so you can apply your own personal propaganda?

Please do not insult our intelligence. I am not passing judgment on you or your situation or the allegations of the incident, but I DO resent being patronized, which is what you are currently doing to all the members of this board. If you have a philosophy to share, then come right out and be open and honest -- don't be sneaky and sideways and manipulative.

[Q-T Pie]

Texas Alum
I think you are exactly right. Correct me if I'm wrong, but most of the members on this board are pretty honest when they post their opinions. True we don't always agree, but we rarely ever (IF ever) have turned the board into a battlefield since I've been here. I feel like that's what we have been doing the past few days is fighting some kind of war. If everyone was just honest & accepted that people may see things differently (yes, including myself), we would once again be a peaceful group of people.

Hopefully, it won't be much longer.

Love to ALL!

Allison


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A mistake at least proves that somebody stopped talking long enough to do something.
~ Anonymous

[ZetaAce]

Originally posted by Q-T Pie:
Texas Alum
True we don't always agree, but we rarely ever (IF ever) have turned the board into a battlefield since I've been here.

Q-T Pie, You obviously haven't been here very long!! LOL!

There are two interchangeable wars on this board, Race and Religion!! But don't take my word for it, go back to some of the old threads and look!

ZetaAce

[carol c]

I just want to say that to be able to talk to you people on an kind of level that gets responses that aren't vile, you can't say HEY I"M THE GIRL THEY HAD RAPED AND DROPPED IN A COFFIN---LIKE OVER HERE- ABUSE ME SOME MORE FOR TELLING THE TRUTH AND MAKING ALL GREEK LETTERED ORGANIZATIONS LOOK BAD, EVEN THOUGH CHI OMEGA IS THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT! Sneeky? Why don't you ask the ones who are members of the defunct chapter and under criminal investigation to identify themselves, before they post? Fair is fair, isn't it? Or does it only work one way. There are people at the highest levels of government and school administration that very much want to converse with her, but you don't want her "sneaking up on you" and entertaining an intelligent conversation.

[Q-T Pie]

LOL ZetaAce
Thanks for correcting me because You ARE right. How could I forget? I usually try not to get involved in the race discussions, but everyone knows I'm there to talk about religion. Guess I forgot about the Fred thing! I can't even remember how many times I posted to him.

Geez...Thanks for making me laugh at myself for forgetting!!

Allison

[kmullini]

I couldnt agree with you more. Thats why I dont go to church.

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
It's amazing how the definition varies as to what a 'true christian' is between people. Ya know folks, go with what YOU think is right, and to heck with everyone else. Follow what YOU believe. People have done it for years (hense various denominations/religions). People use their definition of a 'TRUE christian' as a defense, AND an attack. Don't let people scare you or intimidate you with THEIR definition. You all have enough sense to decifer what you believe on your own. Who is anyone to tell you what is right or wrong? The Bible says "Judge not, lest ye be judged". If people are trying to tell you that you aren't a Christian, then they are just condemning themselves according to the Bible. It says that those that judge others will suffer a worse fate than those they judged. Maybe a TRUE christian doesn't concern themselves with what others do?

[carol c]

I'll be glad to post that way, but I will not disclose to you and of the details of this investigation to you, because I have been asked not to do it, by the D.A.'s office and our personal attorney. So, that's the only thing you won't get out of me and any personal information that puts me or my family at any further risk. I do want to tell you that Sigma Theta's and their boy friends, three car loads of them (recognized, thank you) vandalized our home on Saturday night, and any further indentification of us on this board will be taken as an attempt to cause an even more dangerous situation. If what you want to know from me is of importance to improving the situation, we will post, otherwise--no. Those are my perameters for continuing anything on a separate post.