What would our founders of all Greek Organizations think if they saw us

[Dionysus]

First they will be like this
Next like this
Then like this
Last like this

[shopgirl]

Thank you for posting this. I posted it on the Sigma Kappa Message Board.

[justamom]

For the most part, I think our founders would have pride in our organizations.

Panda, I thought about your post-
Just as intelligent people have come to realize that he terms "men" or "man" really refers to "mankind" NOT a specific gender, I also believe they would embrace our differences of religion, race, etc. They would be proud that we could show that same intelligence and understanding. Not knowing all standards each and every fraternity was founded on, I will add that little qualifier to my statement.

We have adopted so many needy philanthropies and for all the bad that happens by individuals, on the whole, we do some pretty great things. We all need reminders from time to time and this thread brings those points home.

I only wish that the thoughtfulness of issues, academics and Greek support that we see on GC were more evident on our campuses. I KNOW it HAS to be there-that it really does exist, but it gets lost in all the negative news.

On any "bad press" day, I might flip over and agree with Dionysus 100%. Then, you have to ask is it the GLO, the chapter
or the individual.

[Optimist Prime]

my founders weren't racist. They would be happy we have non-White and non-Episcapalion members. They set out to be a national fraternity and have members of lots of groups be brothers. Look at the names. Lorenzo Potter. Lorenzo is an Italian name. How many Italians were even in college in 1856? No racism in my org. So ha.

[ZTAMich]

Wow that was awesome! Thank you so much We have a lot going on in my chapter right now and something like this I know would make a lot of people think for once about why they are here and what they want out of the organization.

[D.0.7]

well i'm speaking on behalf of my other founding brothers. As a founding member of a African American fraternity i think as a fouding father i think we have done a good job as a fraternity, and we continuing to prosper in our organization. We are in the process of going "INC" soon so i feel that the hard work put into founding our fraternity has paid off. GOD Bless you all and remember.

" Advisors came and go, but greeks last forever"...

[rosejoy]

Very profound...thanks for posting that! That was what I was trying to say in "It is what you make it" Wow, that is beautiful. It makes you really think about how you look as a Greek, and how others may see you!

[RosmaPomia]

THAT WAS AWESOME!!!! THANKS A BUNCH

[wptw]

my founders weren't racist. They would be happy we have non-White and non-Episcapalion members. They set out to be a national fraternity and have members of lots of groups be brothers. Look at the names. Lorenzo Potter. Lorenzo is an Italian name. How many Italians were even in college in 1856? No racism in my org. So ha.

Optimist Prime, you should know that the Theta Chi constitution restricted membership only to caucasians until sometime in the 1950s. That's how you lost your Dartmouth chapter.

Theta Chi is a fine group with a lot to be proud of. But we should all be aware of the skeletons in our closets when it comes to this issue (No, not that skeleton - I'm speaking figuratively here! ). Delta Chi, Sigma Chi, Phi Sigma Kappa and many other NIC groups restricted membership only to white males well into the 1950s and 1960s, and they lost good chapters over it too.

wptw

[sigmagrrl]

honestly, I think my founders would be a bit uneasy, but hopefully come to accept an African American sister...Who knows?

[James]

Uh . . .

Each organization has two sets of founders:

The real ones, who were normal human beings and the products of their eras.

In fact they would be representative of many of the people on this site.

There are good, knowledable, and tolerant people on this site and their are stupid, ignorant, and small minded people here also.

However, since they were Founders of something, a decent percentage of each Founding Set were probably go-getters or entrepeneural (sp?).

And . . .

The idealized versions that we have given some type of pseudo-sainthood.

Why yall feel the need to idealize or sanctify other human beins is beyond me.

But it shows a limitation in reasoning.

[violets]

James:
Does admiring the forethought, intelligence and commitment of the founders of our GLOs really indicate limited reasoning abilities? I really don’t see it that way. Yes, our founders were real people with all the faults we as human beings struggle with, yet they managed to establish organizations that still have meaning today. I do not sanctify the founders of my organization, but I am struck by how they crafted a ritual that grows in meaning for me every year.
To say they were “products of their time,” yes, they were, but they created fraternities based on timeless values, and in this way they were part of creating something larger than themselves that has benefited scores of others. How many people can claim this?
In addition, sgrho22’s original post refers specifically to the Divine Nine, whose founders are inarguably admirable for their commitment to the pursuit of education, at a time when very few minority students were enrolled at universities and colleges, and the commitment to their communities, which all HBGLOs continue to strive to accomplish.
So, in short, I think my cognitive and reasoning abilities are just fine.
violets

[rosejoy]

Originally posted by wptw


Optimist Prime, you should know that the Theta Chi constitution restricted membership only to caucasians until sometime in the 1950s. That's how you lost your Dartmouth chapter.

Theta Chi is a fine group with a lot to be proud of. But we should all be aware of the skeletons in our closets when it comes to this issue (No, not that skeleton - I'm speaking figuratively here! ). Delta Chi, Sigma Chi, Phi Sigma Kappa and many other NIC groups restricted membership only to white males well into the 1950s and 1960s, and they lost good chapters over it too.

wptw

Yes, many fraternities and sororities were very exclusive well into the '50's and 60's. One of my sorority's fouders was a Jewish girl, who would have been excluded from other sororities.

There is a difference between being of Anglo Saxon descent and being caucasian. Italians are considered caucasians, just not of Anglo descent.

[sigtau305]

Excellent Post,sgrho_22,

I have email the post to our Chapter President.

[Richard(SNU)]

What would our founders of all Greek Organizations think if they
saw us?

My guess is that the founders of the fraternities would wonder why the
hell the badges they designed so carefully are being worn by women.