J.C Watts to Retire

[Obi_Wan_kenobi]

Ok Knowledge. Name two specific things Clinton did fo the black community. Not criticizing Sister Soulijah, sentencing Haitians to die in the middle of the ocean, blowing up the only medical facility in the Sudan. Being neutral to the civil war in africa? Please tell me exactly what this cracker did for our community? Our people need to stop waiting for some white man to be their savior and take comtrol of their own communities. I guess Malcolm and Mao break it down best you cant be a member of the oppressive ruling class and best freind to the black man at the same time. Its all a game my friend. Remember what sun tzu says, all warfare is based on deception.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by Obi_Wan_kenobi
Ok Knowledge. Name two specific things Clinton did fo the black community. Not criticizing Sister Soulijah, sentencing Haitians to die in the middle of the ocean, blowing up the only medical facility in the Sudan. Being neutral to the civil war in africa? Please tell me exactly what this cracker did for our community? Our people need to stop waiting for some white man to be their savior and take comtrol of their own communities. I guess Malcolm and Mao break it down best you cant be a member of the oppressive ruling class and best freind to the black man at the same time. Its all a game my friend. Remember what sun tzu says, all warfare is based on deception.

Obi, your facts and your reasoning is a little off. It might be better if you weren't so angry. No one has ever referred to Clinton as a savior for AAs. AAs did better economically in his 8 years than ever before.

To quote Mao is ridiculous son. Mao murdered damn near 50 million of his own people, abolished religion, free thought and commerce, forced people to live on communal farms, and mandatory abortion after the first child.

To get back on topic, what is J.C' Watts lasting contribution to the Black Community? Word is he was pissed because the good ol' boys in his party were not including him on high level decisions as his nominal position within the party would warrant. He became disillusioned when he found out his favored house nigga status was just that. To quote you and Sun Tzu, "all warfare is deception".

[Obi_Wan_kenobi]

Doggy, yes Bill Clinton does make me angry. I live across the street from Langston Hughes old brownstone. I live about three blocks from Duke Ellingtons old home. To see the reception that he received when he opened his office here was sickening. I am for the ecconomic empowerment of the black community. Since Billy moved to Harlem rents have been quadropling, and there has also been an influx of crack, remember I sadi earlier that he pardoned a large crack dealer. The sad part about it was that he was invited by Charles Rangel. Anyway the reason why I quoted Mao is because I belive that many of his ideals should be adopted by us as we reatke our communities. Hell, Bill's wife obvoiusly has read him becuase all of her social programs and political ideals come straight from his red book. Now I am sorry that J C Watts to retire becuase remember, before Roosevelt black supported the Republican party exclusively. Remember doggy the first person ever elected to the U S House of african descent was republican. Hell even I am republican however I dont see any party to really have US in their best intent. Doggy I am sure you are familiar with Malcolms Ballot or the Bullet speech?
he addresses the same topic. I just believ we need blacks on both sides of teh fence that way the Democratic party cannot take the vote for granted. Malcolm must have been a genuis because like he said we always put democrats first and they put us dead last. When did Clinton issue the half heart apology for slavery? WHen there where two months left in administration? If he was so concerned why did he not urge members of congress to pass H R 40 introduced by Rep Conners in Michigan? I am sory if you all believe I am angry I just don't think its fair to classify someone an Uncle Tom based on parties. Let us not forget that 73% of all democrats voted agianst , AGAINST, passing the civil rights act of 64. If you dont believe me go to the web site for The HOUSE and the show you all the votes ever to come on teh floor.

[DoggyStyle82]

A uncle tom is a tom because of his actions, not party affiliation. The drug dealer that Clinton pardoned was not someone who supplied crack to inner cities, but one whold powder to upscale clients. Property values always increase when desirable tenants move in. More usually follow. Blacks became Dems because of the Kennedy's and LBJ's civil rights records.The Dems who voted against civil rights were the Southern Democrats who now form the backbone of the current Repulican party (Trent Lott, Jesse Helms,etc)

Damn Mao's philosophies, look at the results of his actions. Totalitarianism, death, destruction, starvation, all in the name of a cultural revolution.

Yes we need to be in both houses, but not washing dishes, as it seems the Reps wanted J.c.Watts to do.

[Obi_Wan_kenobi]

Doggy blacks started supporting Dems because of Roosevelt and the new deal. Southern dems only? Well if 73% voted no I doubt if that was only southern Dems. You know of now democratic uncle Toms? The only Person in the house or senate who supported the million man march and did so on the floor was Jack Kemp r-ny!!!!!!! Its so funny that the maxine waters and charlie rangles where so very quiet. You notice how most blacks in the house said Bush stole the election yet after 9/11 they were dying to be seen with him with a big ass smile on their faces. The only sister who kept it real wsa the sister from texas who voted against some bill. I dont remember her name yet she was the only person to vote no. I believe there are uncle toms every where. I dont supprt mao. Yet I believe we in america need a MAO MAO

[knowledge1]

Obi,

I believe the lady you're referring to is Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee.

Also, I must state for the record that Obi, while you're making reference to African Americans proudly "cheesing" for the camera with Pres. Bush post-Sept. 11 as "not keeping it real", you must also realize that at one point after the elections of 2000, not one U.S. Senator, Republican or Democrat, would sign a bill formulated by the Congressional Black Caucus renouncing the alleged disenfranchisement of Florida voters during the election.

The point I'm making is this, some will totally "keep it real" while others are more concerned with their political futures. You can't say that someone is not "keeping it real" because they support the President's firm stance in his anti-terrorism efforts. I, for one, support them and the level of bipartisanship experienced, if only for a brief period post-Sept. 11 is rather refreshing. You can't discredit those African-Americans for supporting anti-terrorism legislation at the same fighting against racial profiling, working for the poor and underrepresented and, if I might also add, probing into corporate America's sleezy accounting practices (i.e. Enron and more recently Worldcom) and their potential ties to politics (if I remember correctly, not one Enron executive has been indicted on criminal charges as of yet).

I personally have had a chance to speak with Rep. Waters and I can assure you, wholeheartedly, that she and other members of CBC like Rep. Lee, Conyers etc. are doing more work for the good of our community than Rep. Watts would ever do. Doing work to ensure that slaves get credited for the amount of work done in building Capitol Hill, in my opinion, doesn't hold an ounce of importance in reference to reparations legislation. Like my dad always told me, know which battles to fight.

Obi, I am not going to question your philosophy. We all have those that we live by, whether or not they are extremist or not is not for any to judge. You choose who your influences are, just look at the bigger picture.

Respectfully,

Knowledge

[Obi_Wan_kenobi]

"Im not a democrat, or a rupublican, or an American, and I got sense enough to know it"

Malcolm X circa 1964

[Salience]

Yes, Watts is peeved because he finally realized how unimportant he is to Power Republicans. He never got the office he should have, which in DC is crucial to knowing what's going on in the hall of power. He was titular head of important committees, as the good ole white boys continued to wheel and deal without him.

I would rather Keyes be on the air, with Rush and Imus, than roaming around the country trying to run for President again. WHy is that we can be subjected to Imus's blatantly racists azz, being defended by most "mainstream" talking heads, and Keyes, though a staunch conservative with some color and self-hatred issues, cant catch a break. Sometimes I think we should stop protesting everything we think we don't want "outsiders" to hear, and let freedom of speech be just that. yes, the titles are irrelevant, programs, etc., but until someone steps up to say "let's cut the bullisht" let's ALL play the damned game and do the damned thang.

[DoggyStyle82]

Originally posted by Salience
Yes, Watts is peeved because he finally realized how unimportant he is to Power Republicans. He never got the office he should have, which in DC is crucial to knowing what's going on in the hall of power. He was titular head of important committees, as the good ole white boys continued to wheel and deal without him.

Sometimes I think we should stop protesting everything we think we don't want "outsiders" to hear, and let freedom of speech be just that. yes, the titles are irrelevant, programs, etc., but until someone steps up to say "let's cut the bullisht" let's ALL play the damned game and do the damned thang.

I personally could care less what other people hear. The problem is when self-hating Black folks are doing all the talking. Or when its left to the usual suspect Poverty Pimps. AAs biggest problem is that the middle and largest part of our society is ignored in the media and in Congress. Issues that JC Watts nor the poverty Pimps address.

[Obi_Wan_kenobi]

I agree that some poverty pimps are out of control. I believe that Al Sharpton is one of the biggest frauds in our community. Here in Harlem we have the worst schools in Manhattan and crack and heroin are destoying our neighborhoods, yet this guy felt the urge to go Vieques? They have been bombing tha island since 1945? They bombed during Clinton administration but it was not that big of a deal until some uncle tom leaders got the 2000 census report and saw that hispanics are now the largets minority. Go figure. Farrakhan poverty pimp? I dont know he is over in the middle east right now meeting with Hamas, and Hezbullah. EVen though I see alot of contradiction in him I am not sure that he is a poverty pimp. While you all are sleeping, my man Charles Ogletree( Professor of Law at Harvard) will be suing the U S government next month for reparations for slavery. Funny Dems or GOP neither talk about that subject most. I tell you what why dont we all call our congressmen( I call Charlie once a month) and tell them to pass H R 40? This is a great thread.