Two die at UK, thankfully not at the KS house - Page 2

Kevin · #16 05-31-2002, 11:45 PM

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all of you people are idiots.

So you accuse us of being insensative while being insensative yourself? Wonderful, you're sure to win me over to your cause that way!

But seriously, deaths happen -- and this one was tragic, my heartfelt sympathy goes out to the family and friends of the two young men. Hoosier was simply pointing out (as everyone else said) that these tragic accidents would not have been even portrayed as accidents if they had occured in greek housing.

You'll be quick to note around this place (as with anything else in life) if someone goes off and makes personal attacks (like the one quoted above) they will not only succeed in offending people. They will also automatically fail at getting their point accross because people don't listen as well when you call them idiots.

LHT
Kevin

starang21 · #17 06-01-2002, 12:08 AM

so people are offended by the fact that i called them idiots, huh? well i apologize for the personal attack. why not ask what his parents think of this threads title? or his brother who was crying by the window? keep things in perspective, people. don't tell me what was meant by the threads title, it can be taken anyway. and unintelligent is how i took it. what a schools reactions is matters little when it's a life and death matter. and you still read my post, so my point was achieved.

AlphaChiGirl · #18 06-01-2002, 12:51 AM

Personally, I wouldn't stress out too much about someone who's posted only 10 times, at least two of which have been inflammatory.

Can't get too upset about what goes on on an INTERNET BULLETIN BOARD, which, if any of you have forgotten, is what this is.

Back to the issue at hand...this is an extremely sad event. I understand the intentions of the poster, that a completely different sort of scrutiny would have been placed upon the event had it happened in the Greek house, but the delivery was a little harsh. Those at UK, please let us know how things develop, and my deepest condolences to your community.

dzrose93 · #19 06-01-2002, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by starang21
so people are offended by the fact that i called them idiots, huh? well i apologize for the personal attack. why not ask what his parents think of this threads title? or his brother who was crying by the window? keep things in perspective, people. don't tell me what was meant by the threads title, it can be taken anyway. and unintelligent is how i took it. what a schools reactions is matters little when it's a life and death matter. and you still read my post, so my point was achieved.

Starang21... You aren't doing anything but making yourself look irrational with your posts in this thread. Not a single person has stated that they are pleased by the deaths of two young people. You are completely overreacting, and it seems that you aren't thinking very clearly.

The thread title is something that can be taken many different ways -- at first glance. BUT if you actually stop to read the posts that come with the thread title, then it is readily apparent that no one meant to offend the family and friends of the men who died. I would sincerely hope that a person would be intelligent enough to read an entire article instead of just the headline before making assumptions about an entire group of people.

Just about anything that a person writes can be taken more than one way... It's up to the reader to use his brain to figure out what the writer had in mind when he posted -- and to not jump to irrational conclusions. Please keep that in mind.

Tom Earp · #20 06-01-2002, 04:49 PM

While a couple of people have placed insensative and stupid on this thread, ALL of us as Greeks feel the sorrow of losing two young men, I think the whole point was that if it was in a Greek House, it of course would have been blown totally out of proportaion than it being in a Dorm.

All one has to do is look at the Alferd U. situation where ALL GREEKS are being kicked off of the campus!
Do not things happen in the independent community? Yes they do!!!

But by being Greek, it is a cloud on not just one Organization but ALL of us!

Remeber that in your reading and your posts! Do not belittle someone for what you may read into a post.

Hoosier is a member of another Fraternity, who sent information about another Fraternity in rushing and houseing, to a member of another Fraternity,who sent it to me! This was to help us both.

This is what Fratenalism is at its finest! Greeks helping other Greeks!

starang21 · #21 06-01-2002, 07:21 PM

obviously you're stressing enough about something that was said several days ago. anyhow, back to the issue...i'm not irrational here. how many people in this thread have actually said that this event was a tragedy? or were truly sorry? those people are outnumbered by the total number of people who were thankful that this wasn't at a frat house. or the number of people who were wondering if the dean hated frats. look at how the article is opened up.....no mention of this tragedy, just the mention of sanctions that could be put up on a house. who cares what those punishments were? this guy was a man before he was a greek.

starang21 · #22 06-01-2002, 07:28 PM

and the poster of the original article made no mention of sorrow at the end of the article. the only actual statements from the poster were on what the punishments were. the rest was the article itself. so i did read what was read, and i still didn't see any remorse.

Kevin · #23 06-01-2002, 08:31 PM

Starang,

If you know Hoosier he usually cuts and pastes articles and gives very little (if any) comment on them. This was simply a typical Hoosier post -- not insensative just not commenting on that aspect of it.

Like it or not ANY issue can be broken down into smaller issues. People are not even talking about the single tragedy when they are commenting on the medias portrayal of accidents or deaths associated with Greek Housing vs dormitory housing.

Contrary to your opinion to us this is a real issue. One that is not only demonstrated by this single case but hundreds if not thousands every year. Do you actually expect us to name each one of these and express our "sincere condolences"?

Your inability to understand the content of the conversation or the context of it is not our responsability.

dzrose93 · #24 06-01-2002, 09:18 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
and the poster of the original article made no mention of sorrow at the end of the article. the only actual statements from the poster were on what the punishments were. the rest was the article itself. so i did read what was read, and i still didn't see any remorse.

Excuse me... You didn't see any REMORSE?

You act like hoosier was responsible for making that window shatter! Whether or not someone expresses sympathy about a tragedy is up to the individual. Hoosier was commenting on a different aspect of the news article. Maybe he didn't type, "I'm so sorry for the deaths of those young men" at the end of his post. But he sure as heck didn't type, "I'm glad that they died," either.

It seems as if you're looking to find fault for something where there is no wrongdoing to be found. My suggestion is to let this issue drop.

dzrose93 · #25 06-01-2002, 09:22 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
obviously you're stressing enough about something that was said several days ago. anyhow, back to the issue...i'm not irrational here. how many people in this thread have actually said that this event was a tragedy? or were truly sorry? those people are outnumbered by the total number of people who were thankful that this wasn't at a frat house. or the number of people who were wondering if the dean hated frats. look at how the article is opened up.....no mention of this tragedy, just the mention of sanctions that could be put up on a house. who cares what those punishments were? this guy was a man before he was a greek.

Um, in case you haven't noticed, this is a GREEK CHAT BOARD. We talk about Greek issues here, and the fact that the media and college administrations treat tragedies that occur on Greek property differently than they treat tragedies that occur elsewhere is a Greek issue. That's why hoosier posted this article. It was not to make light of anyone's death, it was not to mock anyone's death... It was to simply compare and contrast the way a college administration treated a non-Greek tragedy versus how they treat a Greek tragedy. That's all. Period. You have gone WAY overboard on this whole issue, and are being ultra-sensitive -- trying to find an insult where none existed to being with. Take a deep breath and calm down please.

starang21 · #26 06-02-2002, 12:41 AM

inability? are you kidding me? i guess my only inability is to determine how the hell seeing what the dean thinks is related to mourning for these men. the depth of your shallowness isn't my responsibility, but i felt the need to say something about it. how many other people in here have said that this was insensitive? i'm not the only one. how many asked if this was really neccesary? if trying to figure out what punishments are going to be for something like this is the only thing you're concerned with, then that's up to you. why not ask "bunner" what she thinks of what was said? or her friend? whoops, they said the same thing i've said. i've already stated my peace on this subject, if you people are more concerned by what the dean thinks of fraternities as opposed to losing a life, then that's on you. ask his parents if they're ultra-sensitive about this subject as well. why not lose a friend first, then tell me if you're going to worry about what the consequences are. "thankfully this wasn't at a fraternity house." i bet no one here has the audacity to say that to anyone those men knew.

Kevin · #27 06-02-2002, 01:04 AM

Again.

I'll make this one basic for you. Write in short concise sentences so you can't miss meanings.

You and some other people COMPLETELY missed the point.

It's not about a death.

Deaths = ALWAYS bad.

Issue = Unfair treatment of "accidents" where GLO's are involved vs. something that happened to some independent in the dorms.

You keep going back to this death of this specific person and yes by doing that are completely missing the point.

The fact is that you and some others may be trying to personalize this issue. Other people on this thread (which was long dead until you resurrected it) were discussing a REAL issue that effects the greek community. Many of us are still wondering if you actually have an opinion on the real subject we were trying to discuss here.

LHT
Kevin

dzrose93 · #28 06-02-2002, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by starang21
inability? are you kidding me? i guess my only inability is to determine how the hell seeing what the dean thinks is related to mourning for these men. the depth of your shallowness isn't my responsibility, but i felt the need to say something about it. how many other people in here have said that this was insensitive? i'm not the only one. how many asked if this was really neccesary? if trying to figure out what punishments are going to be for something like this is the only thing you're concerned with, then that's up to you. why not ask "bunner" what she thinks of what was said? or her friend? whoops, they said the same thing i've said. i've already stated my peace on this subject, if you people are more concerned by what the dean thinks of fraternities as opposed to losing a life, then that's on you. ask his parents if they're ultra-sensitive about this subject as well. why not lose a friend first, then tell me if you're going to worry about what the consequences are. "thankfully this wasn't at a fraternity house." i bet no one here has the audacity to say that to anyone those men knew.

The OTHER folks who posted on this thread about insensitivity were stating that the thread title did not seem appropriate. The THREAD TITLE was the thing they found fault with, not the thread itself. You, on the other hand, are calling people idiots and accusing them of being shallow because they are discussing an underlying Greek issue about the news article instead of focusing solely on the deaths of two young people. Discussing something other than the deaths themselves is not insensitive, and, like I said before, it's a Greek issue and this is a Greek chat board.

You act as if you want a thread dedicated solely to the memories of these two men and have everyone on GC posting to say how sorry they are about their deaths. However, as I mentioned previously, just because someone isn't saying "I'm sorry that these young men died" in this thread doesn't mean that they are being insensitive. I guarantee you that anyone who read that article was deeply saddened by the news. But this isn't a chat board dedicated to talking about young lives lost. If it was, then the main topic of conversation would have been the deaths of the young people in the news article. I'm not trying to be unsympathetic to the family and friends of the men who died by saying this. But you are just completely off point here. You're trying to compare apples to oranges and it can't be done.

starang21 · #29 06-03-2002, 11:57 AM

am i the only one who has questioned the appropriateness of this title or the opening of the article? if something greek was truly being discussed, then why is everybody questioning why people are being so insensitive? why the hell would you want to discuss something so trivial when a real issue it at hand?

starang21 · #30 06-03-2002, 12:10 PM

personally, my opinion on this subject is that i could care less what happens to the greek community, even me being greek myself. my concern is the men that died. the REAL issue at hand. i don't really concern myself with things that don't really need it. and if you had read my posts, i was blasting the thread's title, not the thread. the rest of the thread was an article about it. there is no point that was missed, my question is this, is this the most important point out there? probably not.