BGLO why *INCORPORATED* emphasized?

[suntzu1963]

Originally posted by naraht:

Two comments on that.

1) Would you rather have the service/band greeks act more like their brothers/sisters in the chapters on the non-HBCU campuses? i.e. co-ed pledge classes and no pride in their black heritage?

2) Were the Iotas immitators from their founding in 1963 until their joining of the NPHC?

Naraht-

I just want to make a quick comment on your last comment.

Your 2nd question was unnecessary at best.

Distasteful possibly.

If you link the first question you asked in this quote to the second one, the answer would be that we are a nationally-known BGLO. So how can we imitate when we are doing something that is a traditional concept of BGLO's (NPHC and non-NPHC).

But this comment is only if you are linking the two questions together........

About your first question, I personally have no problem with chapters of service/band organizations at HBCU's doing things like NPHC/ Non-NPHC BGLO greeks, but doing things that are obviously imitating (ie: same/similar handsigns, calls, doing VERY similar steps, etc....) are not cool.

Don't do what others are doing. Do it a different way. Be creative.

And its not all about heritage/culture. Represent the culture as you see it, but do not do/say/try/copy things that you do not know about.

One example of this is:

A LOT of people in this world have step teams and/or step and have NO CLUE of the origin(s) of stepping.

Many people copy aspects of a certain cultural practice without knowing the history behind it. This is what receives the the disdain of members of that culture and/or those who understand the culture and thus embrace it/have it embrace them back.

That's just one example........


That is all for now.

*GREEK LUV TO ALL*

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[prettypoodle6]

i think a simple answer to the question is that the "incorporated" is just as part of our name as the letters, and we were all taught to speak of our organizations that way.

i am a member of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Incorporated..... that's how i would say it, you'd see it in print, hear is in the media, that's just the way it is - (without getting all deep about it).

some things are done just because...

[showstopper_1908]

Originally posted by naraht:
I'd be very surprised if Colors were included in the Articles of Incorporation, but its possible.

Get ready to be surprised, because they are.

[MeezDiscreet]

Originally posted by prettypoodle6:
i think a simple answer to the question is that the "incorporated" is just as part of our name as the letters, and we were all taught to speak of our organizations that way.

i am a member of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Incorporated..... that's how i would say it, you'd see it in print, hear is in the media, that's just the way it is - (without getting all deep about it).

some things are done just because...

because i'm not a member of a black greek-lettered organization, my intent was to stay away from the topic, but felt compelled to say that this makes a lot of sense to me!

[naraht]

Originally posted by suntzu1963:
Naraht-

I just want to make a quick comment on your last comment.

Your 2nd question was unnecessary at best.

Distasteful possibly.

If you link the first question you asked in this quote to the second one, the answer would be that we are a nationally-known BGLO. So how can we imitate when we are doing something that is a traditional concept of BGLO's (NPHC and non-NPHC).

But this comment is only if you are linking the two questions together........

About your first question, I personally have no problem with chapters of service/band organizations at HBCU's doing things like NPHC/ Non-NPHC BGLO greeks, but doing things that are obviously imitating (ie: same/similar handsigns, calls, doing VERY similar steps, etc....) are not cool.

Don't do what others are doing. Do it a different way. Be creative.

And its not all about heritage/culture. Represent the culture as you see it, but do not do/say/try/copy things that you do not know about.

One example of this is:

A LOT of people in this world have step teams and/or step and have NO CLUE of the origin(s) of stepping.

Many people copy aspects of a certain cultural practice without knowing the history behind it. This is what receives the the disdain of members of that culture and/or those who understand the culture and thus embrace it/have it embrace them back.

That's just one example........


That is all for now.

*GREEK LUV TO ALL*

I will admit that at the time that the Iotas were admitted to the NPHC they were certainly in the same order of magnitude in terms of number of chapters as the first eight members of the NPHCs (Not sure whether the Iotas are still the smallest of the nine. However there was certainly a stretch of time when there were more Alpha Phi Omega chapters at Historically Black Universities than there were Iota Phi Theta chapters at HBUCs. (Our first Alpha Phi Omega chapter at an HBUC was in 1946) I don't know enough about GSS,TBS or KKY history to say that about them.

Alpha Phi Omega (and GSS) run into comments at HBUCs about copying colors,handsigns and calls from the HBCUs, (APO colors=Blue & Gold, handsign = (national) "boy scout sign", HBCU = index & pinky extended or thumb, index & pinky extended, call = skeet,skeet)

Also, I seriously doubt that it is exclusively members of the NPHCs who know the history of stepping and non members of the NPHCs who do not...




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Naraht
Alpha Phi Omega Alumni Volunteer

[naraht]

Originally posted by showstopper_1908:
Get ready to be surprised, because they are.

Any convenient place online to read them?

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Naraht
Alpha Phi Omega Alumni Volunteer

[Demon Knight]

I just wanted to say a few things, and I hope no one gets mad.

First off, my fraternity uses the word Incorporated, we are use it because it represents are unity, in our early history, it was what combined our colonies around the world into chapters, so we are very proud of being Incorporated.

Second, GLO's period shouldn't be about not doing this because they do that..for example, stepping, my Fraternity also steps, and yes we are good but just because it was publicized...notice publicized not started..by certain GLO's doesn't mean others cant perform the same.

Third, I personally believe the one thing that should be kept from other organizations from "copying" is the ritual, because that in itself is what makes the fraternity, everything else is publicized for a reason.

Like I said this is just my 2 cents, let me know if I am mistaken.

Phi Kappa Tau Fraternity Inc.
Beta Psi 01'
Hoo Rah
The Power of one, The Force of Many

[gamma_girl52]

Okay, everyone knows I'm a service greek by now-but for the record I'm a member of Gamma Sigma Sigma National Service Sorority (no Incorporated).

Gamma Sigma Sigma isn't incorporated, at least not in the same way as BGLO's are. I'll have to get back with the actuals.

As for the whole thing about copying and such, that's been discussed before on this board. And as I have said many times before, each greek has their own opinion on my organization (and others) and how we choose to represent ourselves. I have much respect for all the greeks and I only ask for it back when it comes to my organization, which I find to be unique and different in its own way.

In Service,
gamma_girl52

[suntzu1963]

Originally posted by naraht:

I will admit that at the time that the Iotas were admitted to the NPHC they were certainly in the same order of magnitude in terms of number of chapters as the first eight members of the NPHCs (Not sure whether the Iotas are still the smallest of the nine. However there was certainly a stretch of time when there were more Alpha Phi Omega chapters at Historically Black Universities than there were Iota Phi Theta chapters at HBUCs. (Our first Alpha Phi Omega chapter at an HBUC was in 1946) I don't know enough about GSS,TBS or KKY history to say that about them.

Alpha Phi Omega (and GSS) run into comments at HBUCs about copying colors,handsigns and calls from the HBCUs, (APO colors=Blue & Gold, handsign = (national) "boy scout sign", HBCU = index & pinky extended or thumb, index & pinky extended, call = skeet,skeet)

Also, I seriously doubt that it is exclusively members of the NPHCs who know the history of stepping and non members of the NPHCs who do not...

Was the stating of the obvious truly necessary?

If your organization was founded before mine, I would naturally assume that its possible that you had a chapter at an HBCU before my organization did.

That comment had no relavance to our discussion.

Personally, I think this topic is going nowhere. Let's agree to disagree before someone says the wrong thing and intentionally/unintentionally disrespects one's organization.

Rather than attempting to get someone to believe/ accept another person's opinion, lets move on............


You now have a good idea as to why BGLO's emphasize "incorporated". That was the original question and should be left as such.

I will check this topic out some other time, but I think a lot of the posts made by various people have answered the original question.

GOD bless and much luv to all.

*GREEK UNITY + GREEK LOVE*

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Suntzu 1963
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LIPTTDID
W.W.N.O.R.T.



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-"Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. And those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content, will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual."

-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[This message has been edited by suntzu1963 (edited August 14, 2001).]

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[showstopper_1908]

This topic is very similar.
http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/...ML/000474.html

If anyone had any other questions, they might be addressed here.

[Steeltrap]

Originally posted by showstopper_1908:
This topic is very similar.
http://www.greekchat.com/forums/ubb/...ML/000474.html

If anyone had any other questions, they might be addressed here.

Searching is good.

[naraht]

Suntzu1963:

Sorry it got so out of hand, I agree to disagree. Hope to see you around. I would imagine that the Iotas situation on the outside looking in for all those years was probably somewhat similar.



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Naraht
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