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Old 04-02-2002, 06:35 PM
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Finally, with respect to the gentleman from Nebraska, I'd recommend that you steer your son toward the fraternities that are the traditional leaders (instead of, as he suggested, the place where he find the 'best fit'). In a given fraternity system there are groups that are strong and remain strong, and groups that wre weak and remain weak. A young man will not grow and prosper in a weak fraternity. In a strong chapter he will tend to rise to that standard, and be better for it. The fraternities that produce the powerful and influential leaders of tomorrow are not the weak ones.
I'm going to have to disagree completely on many different aspects of this.

First of all, a chapter that is weak at one university can be much stronger in other areas of the country making the terms weak and strong relative (and relevant) in just that area. It's unfortuneate that some of those "powerful and influential leaders" may end up in a place where the local chapter is looked down upon, disrespected and tied to negative connotations, but demonstrates how reputation shouldn't be a part of a decision to join a GLO.

Second, in continuation of the above, the fortunes of any house can change rather quickly. I only have to look at the series of composites in my own chapter room to see this; as the numbers in the early 90s stay constant near 85, yet the number of brothers wearing the "pothead" jacket increase until 96 when our alumni did a membership review which resulted in only 21 brothers remaining. Definetly not the top house on campus then...fast forward to this year and the house stands 83 brothers strong, won homecoming, GPA for first semester, DG Anchor Splash, AZD Kareoke Kraze, 2nd in KKG's soccer tournament and has the most members of any house in Senior Honorary societies and in executive positions in campus organizations. To see it go the other way, I have 4 examples on my campus stemming from drug use, to hazing, to poor risk management decisions, and alcohol violations. The most recent has been DU which is on suspended status and about to go through a membership review. They were strong at the beginning of this year, and in a month they will probably be down to fewer than 30 brothers.

Third, one of the best things about the greek system is that every house has positions for people to take responsibility, chapter large or small, strong or weak, party house or academic leaders, every chapter. Every chapter produces leaders so it's ridiculous to say that only the strong chapters produce the powerful and influential leaders.

Fourth, as we have seen in some of those who frequent GC, most recently SAEguy, you can be in one of the best houses on a campus (as SAE is at the University of Kansas) but be miserable if the you don't feel a part of the brotherhood, if you dont' get along with the guys in your house, or if the priorities of a house don't match up with your own. All it takes is one incident and all of a sudden a young mans experience with greek life becomes an unpleasent one. The easiest way to prevent this is to go where you fit in, plain and simple.

With all due respect, and I appreciate your input as to how rush goes other places, I think that in your encouragement to only go for "top" houses you miss the mark completely in why people should go greek in the first place...
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Old 04-04-2002, 11:40 PM
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You are right about the range of strong and weak chapters within each national fraternity. I did not intend to suggest that a particular fraternity be selected based on their national reputation. I do believe however that strong, aggressive chapters tend to attract strong, aggressive men. Some chapters tend to remain near the top of the pecking order for generations. There are some fluctuations, as you pointed out, the those ships tend to right themselves. They generally produce, not the 'best' men, but certainly the most prominent leaders compared to weaker fraternities. Choose a dozen famous names of fraternity men of accomplishment, and they are overwhelmingly from strong chapters. I believe you can find brotherhood in just about any house, but you will be motivated toward success in only the right atmosphere. brotherhood is like automobiles. All fraternities have brotherhood, just as all automobiles have tires. But, some cars are Geos, and some cars are Jaguars.
If any young man did decide to choose a fraternity based on national reputation alone, he could hardly do better than to choose your own Beta Theta Pi. You have much to be proud of.
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Old 04-05-2002, 10:24 AM
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So far, we are up to 7 or 8 of his crowd going through recruitment.
Three have sisters in sororities and I know they are influenced by the stories they hear and the pictures they see. The others are most likely going to do it because they are friends. I just hope they don't try to go for a "package" deal on this. They have been friends since GRADE SCHOOL!!! Their loyalty is INTENSE! They are ALL great guys. At this point, I'm just happy to see the interest and hoping it grows stronger. The class ahead of them will have several wanting to join a fraternity as well. This is a complete 180 from the class of '99. Is it just the South? Are other areas seeing an increase in interest? I hear how numbers are down, but they are rising in our corner of the world. For my son, besides the obvious trappings, he likes the idea of the network and a bunch of "buddies". I just want him to find a place where the majority of the members are seeking a professional career and academics are important. Asking too much???

ALL of the older sisters have indicated which fraternities seem to have a "rough" pledgeship, and which ones allow their pledges a bit more "dignity". This will greatly influence their decision.
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Old 04-10-2002, 03:24 PM
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justamom---As far as I know there is not a rec form for IFC recruitment. I checked the LSU Greek Affairs website just to make sure and I didn't find one there.

http://appl003.lsu.edu/slas/greekaffairs.nsf/index

I know your daughter is here already but if you would like another perspective on the fraternities here just let me know. I would be glad to help.



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Old 04-10-2002, 04:44 PM
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Thanks Allison!
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Old 04-10-2002, 04:47 PM
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Anytime JAM!!!
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Old 04-10-2002, 07:40 PM
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There may not be recomendation forms, but there is an application. The site is here, but appears that it needs an update. I'm sure that LSU will be sending out information soon.
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Old 04-10-2002, 07:49 PM
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Never did it occur to me that the people would offer as much help on the fraternities as they did on the sororities. You ALL are very, VERY much appreciated.
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