Chi Omega vs Delta Sigma Theta

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by SAEactive:
To answer the question JayBEE! originally asked, Delta Sigma Theta has 292 chapters (2nd behind Alpha Kappa Alpha with 330) and 85000 initiates while Chi Omega has 174 chapters (3rd place) and 225000 initiates. These numbers are accurate as of 1997. So it depends on what you mean by "larger" in terms of chapters or initiates. If you mean number of initiates, it's Chi Omega. If you mean number of chapters, although Delta Sigma Theta has more than Chi Omega, neither is the largest (AKA is).

EXCUSE ME!!! WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR NUMBERS FROM????? DID YOU CALL THE NATIONAL HEADQUARTERS OF DELTA SIGMA THETA SORORITY, INNNNNNNNNNCORPORATED?!!?!?!?!??!!?

Tell me how HOW HOW HOW we went from 292 chapters in 1997 to 950 CHAPTERS in 2001. EXCUSE ME BUT I WAS INITIATED IN DELTA SIGMA THETA in 1997 and I KNOW WE HAD more than 85,000 members/initiates in 1997. How could we go from 85,000 in 1997 to OVER 200,000 in 2001.

BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT TO ANSWER A QUESTION CONCERNING MY SORORITY, MAKE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT or USE CORRECT TERMINOLOGY!!!

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA:
I have seen Deltas boast about being the largest Black women's organization so many times. I suspect that if JayBEE asked which organization is larger, Alpha Kappa Alpha or Delta Sigma Theta, the question would have been answered. Not asked, why do you want to know.

Hmmmmmmmm, I don't boast. No need to. DST may be bigger, AKAs might step the best, ZPhiB's might have the best colors, S G Rhos might have the hypest parties. . . however, in the words of THE ROCK: IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!!!!!

The only thing that matters point blank, bottom line, is IS THE SISTERHOOD PROMOTING THEIR IDEALS, PRINCIPLES, TENETS, BELIEFS, MISSIONS, etc. All of the other stuff is just that STUFF!!


Funny how it is outsiders to our respective orgs that are trying to stir up tension. I love that the AKAs, ZPhiBs, and S G Rhos are doing their thing. Sisterhood should UPLIFT and SUPPORT not hate and trample upon. Some of you all as non-members and members alike need to learn that and remember that.


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[AlphaChiGirl]

If I'm not mistaken, this post was simply created to end some confusion, not to stir up "controversy". Both organizations claim to be the largest group of its type. There was no mention of AKA until later. It certainly doesn't look like the intent was to stir up tension between AKA and DST--if someone sees that in the post, then that's another issue and another forum.

If one is claiming to be the largest sorority (overall or in each governing body) or second largest women's organization (behind the Girl Scouts) and they're NOT, now isn't that misrepresentation--also known as LYING?

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by AlphaChiGirl:
If I'm not mistaken, this post was simply created to end some confusion, not to stir up "controversy". Both organizations claim to be the largest group of its type. There was no mention of AKA until later. It certainly doesn't look like the intent was to stir up tension between AKA and DST--if someone sees that in the post, then that's another issue and another forum.

If one is claiming to be the largest sorority (overall or in each governing body) or second largest women's organization (behind the Girl Scouts) and they're NOT, now isn't that misrepresentation--also known as LYING?

While I have never said that DST is the largest women's organization, I have said that DST is the largest of the 4 sororities of the Divine 9. I know nothing about the membership totals for NPC sororities or women's organizations world wide so no I am not LYING!!

[BlueandBlue]

since the difference between 950 and whatever that other number was was pretty big, perhaps SAEactive left out alumnae chapters? It seems like a perfectly innocent mistake and I don't know why you all feel the need to jump down his throat. People are entitled to make mistakes, it's not like he was intentionally insulting your organization. And if SAEactive's most likely innocent mistake could really bother you THAT much, maybe your priorities are in the wrong place. Just politely correct him and then laugh it off.

Besides, to bring up that age old expression, size doesn't matter. Speaking from myself, I love Kappa, I will always love being a Kappa, and it doesn't matter to me what orgs are larger/smaller than mine because of that. I'm sure you have as much pride in DST as I have in KKG, and isn't that the most important thing? Who cares about who has more chapters, or who other people think has more chapters? That shouldn't really matter if you really love the organization you are a part of.

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[Chiocutie]

Lying, Misrepresentation...

Give me a break AlphaChiGirl. Tell it to our Nationals...don't hate.

[baylorchio]

DST claims to have 200,000+ members....Chi Omega has over 240,000 initiates. As far as active chapters go, we don't include our alums in that number so maybe that's why there are differences.

[AlphaChiGirl]

ChiOCutie...I know you all have 240,000 members, I have nothing against your sorority, okay? There might be psychos who do, but I don't. Do you even read all the posts?

[SAEalumnus]

12dn94dst and CrimsonTide4,

Is jumping down my throat about information I found in print in my Fraternity's nationally published pledge manual consistent with the ideals of your organization's founders, hhmmm?!? Additionally, when someone asks me how many chapters my Fraternity has, I respond with the number of UNDERGRADUATE chapters and colonies. Sure our alumni work just as hard as we do. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for them and there are probably more chapter and area alumni associations than there are undergraduate chapters, but if some people are counting all of them and others just the undergrads, you'll never be able to communicate because you won't be talking about the same thing. The truth is (whether you like it or not), most people only count the undergraduate chapters when asked how many chapters they have because that is the context with which most people are familiar, unless of course you specify alumni chapters as well.

I'd like to personally thank BlueandBlue for remembering the ideals and temperance required of anyone who would call themself Greek and know what it meant. You should listen to her more. I'm very good friends with a Delta and I know for a fact she wouldn't have acted so immaturely over the report of a printed number. She, in fact, is one of the most kind, patient, intelligent and considerate individuals I've ever had the priviledge of associating with and I'd much rather believe that SHE is a typical Delta rather than the both of you. Consider who you represent before reacting the next time you're tempted to lose control of yourself.

[JayBEE!]

Interesting. Why do I want to know? Because I want to tell individuals the truth, and not later find out it was a lie that I told them.
I want to know, and I wanted to clear up my confusion, So I simply asked. Something you should do if you do not know.

Does size matter? That's not even the issue. Size doesn't mean that all individuals that go to that organization are in the best organization. But if asked by a none-phi-none, I rather appear to be on speaking terms with all organizations than appear to be an isolated organization that totally disregards the accomplishments of other organizations.

I never said Alpha Kappa Alpha. I never said fraternity. I just mentioned Cho Omega and Delta Sigma Theta. Simply because I knew Delta Sigma Theta was the largest organization until I saw another comment by Chi Omega on another post saying that they are they second women largest organization next to the girls scouts.

More Questions? Is Chi Omega international? And if they are not, then Delta Sigma Theta would be the largest womens organization in the world and Chi Omega would be the largest in the United States. What Chapter name is
each organization at?

I apprieciate the information transferred. Please don't make any comments if you can't answer with something positive to say. Debates are rich in individual growth, but when you find respect for individuals, your actually showing respect for yourself.
Thanks for everybodies comments



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[mccoyred]

Okay, folks. RELAX, RELATE, RELEASE !!!

Must we say, over and over and OVER again... Those who know, SPEAK; those who don't, sit back and LEARN .

The ONLY respondents to this question (which I still don't see why it was asked in the first place ) should have been members of DST and ChiOmega. Officially, the correct answer can only come from the respective National offices. NOONE ELSE KNOWS THE ANSWER and their responses are pure speculation (even if it is printed in THEIR fraternity manual!).

A wise man once said that it is better to remain quiet and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

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BaltCo Alumnae

Dynamic...Salient...Temperate...Since 1913

[CrimsonTide4]

Originally posted by SAEactive:
CrimsonTide4,

Is jumping down my throat about information I found in print in my Fraternity's nationally published pledge manual consistent with the ideals of your organization's founders, hhmmm?!? Additionally, when someone asks me how many chapters my Fraternity has, I respond with the number of UNDERGRADUATE chapters and colonies.

A wise person once said SAY WHAT YOU MEAN and MEAN WHAT YOU SAY. When you stated the number of chapters that DST had in 1997 in your first post, then you should have said UNDERGRADUATE CHAPTERS.

No I am not trying to berate and belittle people because they thought they were "helping" by providing information that they had, but sometimes your "help" is misguided.

To all others who thought our reactions were EXTREME, all I really can say is until you have walked a MILE in MY SHOES, please do not judge my reactions.

[AXO Alum]

Originally posted by mccoyred:
The ONLY respondents to this question (which I still don't see why it was asked in the first place ) should have been members of DST and ChiOmega. Officially, the correct answer can only come from the respective National offices. NOONE ELSE KNOWS THE ANSWER

I agree that DST and XO members would know the correct numbers and they would be able to put forth the correct answer.

I don't think it was a bad question considering that depending on what board you are reading, the quote about 2nd largest only to the Girl Scouts has been over-used. I have heard it from both. I don't think the question had any ill-intent, but rather a clarifying purpose since I myself have wondered that before. Its not that it matters who is the bigger group, but for clarification, it is helpful. No, I myself do not keep a record book of who is who in terms of size, initiates, chapters, alum chapters, deceased members, etc...but like I said - I've read it both ways, and was just curious to see some numbers. Perhaps the question could be answered by checking each national website - I don't know -- I usually don't wander around checking out other websites.

I also think that there was an immediate and ill-tempered response from some people for whatever reasons. Maybe number of initiates or chapters is secret. If so, just say that. No need for all the tension whether brought on by others, or self-imposed.

[DST Love]

Originally posted by SAEactive:
Additionally, when someone asks me how many chapters my Fraternity has, I respond with the number of UNDERGRADUATE chapters and colonies. Sure our alumni work just as hard as we do. We wouldn't be here if it weren't for them and there are probably more chapter and area alumni associations than there are undergraduate chapters, but if some people are counting all of them and others just the undergrads, you'll never be able to communicate because you won't be talking about the same thing. The truth is (whether you like it or not), most people only count the undergraduate chapters when asked how many chapters they have because that is the context with which most people are familiar, unless of course you specify alumni chapters as well.

But see that's why you shouldn't respond about certain things if you do not know. And don't assume. You say that you respond by speaking only of undergrad chapters and that most people think of undergrad when asked how many chapters they have. But that's not true of the Divine 9. That's true of YOU. If we (the Divine 9) were to ask each other how many chapters we have in X city, state, overall, etc, we understand that we are referring to ALL chapters because that is common with US. I don't think you quite understand . From what I can see from Greekchat, how we view our alumn(ae)(i) is substantially different then how you view it. I'm not saying one better than the other, just different. Do you understand that we may have some alumnae chapters with hundreds and hundreds of people in them and not just a few people. Do you know that here in Atlanta we have six alumnae chapters of Delta Sigma Theta with a large amount of people in each. Our alumnae chapters are not set up just to assist undergrads. The Divine 9 alumn(ae)(i), undergrad, internationational, etc. chapters all serve TOGETHER to maintain our organization. Our undergrads are no more important than our other chapters and vice versa.

So to sum it up, please don't tell us what we should view as our chapter numbers.

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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region

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[DST Love]

And to add to my previous post, in the Divine 9, one can JOIN at the alumn(ae)(i) level. Therefore, our alumn(ae)(i) chapters do not consist of just people who moved from the undergrad level. They consist of brand new members as well. Now do you see why we view our alumn(ae)(i) differently?!

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#10 Sigma (Clark Atlanta University) Spring 1999
Currently: MAL, Southern Region