White or Homosexual members - Page 2

Ideal08 · #16 01-24-2002, 06:17 PM

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Originally posted by Dexter
If you aren't of AA then you cannot relate to the struggles of the founders of these BGLOs. It is for that reason why some people feel uneasy when they see non AA members. It's not that they don't accept them, but it's ackward at first.

Very well said, Frat. Skee-Phi!

The Original Ape · #17 01-24-2002, 06:37 PM

Dex,

You got some good shyt; but this time I was givin' Fatto props for his comments. He said it the way I was gon say it.

How you been man?

Honeykiss1974 · #18 01-24-2002, 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by Tibi
It's funny how on the general boards alot of HBGLO members are so anti racisist but post a topic like this and the real truth comes out.....

Funny how on general boards a lot of GLO members can't discuss ANY issues of race without all the name calling and finger-pointing,

but post a topic like this in here and you'll find people not only talking openly and honestly, but also talking about solutions as well?

Dexter · #19 01-24-2002, 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by The Original Ape
Dex,

You got some good shyt; but this time I was givin' Fatto props for his comments. He said it the way I was gon say it.

How you been man?

Well I still take credit for his comments too! I was his dean and he is molded into the image that I formed !

AKA2D '91 · #20 01-24-2002, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Honeykiss1974

Funny how on general boards a lot of GLO members can't discuss ANY issues of race without all the name calling and finger-pointing, but post a topic like this in here and you'll find people not only talking openly and honestly, but also talking about solutions as well?

Right!

Not only that, peeps try to sweep chit under the rug as if it doesn't exist. That's the problem!

From what I see, only a few members have posted, not ALOT.

Shucks, I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade! I call it as I see it!

That's why I don't post or visit over yonder too often. Everyone can't handle everything.

The Original Ape · #21 01-24-2002, 11:13 PM

You made a good one betta!

'06!!!!!!!

fatto · #22 01-25-2002, 04:42 PM

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Originally posted by AKA2D '91

Right!

Not only that, peeps try to sweep chit under the rug as if it doesn't exist. That's the problem!

From what I see, only a few members have posted, not ALOT.

Shucks, I don't have a problem calling a spade a spade! I call it as I see it! That's why I don't post or visit over yonder too often. Everyone can't handle everything.

In case yall get tired of hearing sugar coated responses to "touchy" topics, just ask me. I never learned how to bite my tongue. Where I come from we encourage strong minded individuals. The problems do and will continue to exist in MD where I PLEDGED, but we don't take that ish to lightly.

P.S. Chuck, please don't hate! Dom P!

MaMaBuddha · #23 01-25-2002, 10:32 PM

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Originally posted by Dexter

His name is Jamie and he is one of the most intelligent and hard working guys in the frat. He PLEDGED at the University of Central Florida. Not is he more BROTHERLY than alot of AA members in the frat, but he steps alot better than alot of bruhs that are in my chapter (AND WE WON 28 STEP SHOWS).

it's been a minute since i've posted. i know jamie...that is one of the coolest white boys i know and he could step his ASS off. the Alpha's down there did a lot in the community and i remember he was president of the chapter. i know he got so much play from the sisters. the last time i saw him was like four years ago at a step show at UCF. he represented well.

APhiAce · #24 03-13-2002, 04:43 AM

Everyone has their own moral values. For many, homosexuality is immoral and negative. I see it as such, and Anti-Alpha. If I saw a sweet brother tryning to get in, I'd vote him down because I see gayness as negative. Some would ask me to check myself in the mirror...I know I sin and do negative anti-Alpha things in my life. But if I displayed these sins publicly, I would have gotten voted down too!For example, If I was a thuggish bully and pushed people around. That behavior is negative and anti-Alpha. Thus I probably would NOT get voted in. Likewise homosexual behavior is negative and anti-Alpha resulting in gays getting voted down too.

I think it makes us look bad. I know that if I wanted to pledge a chapter, and it was full of homosexuals, that would turn me off. Nobody wants to be associated with homosexuals. Birds of a feather flock together and I don't want that stigma on me or my frat. The homosexual stigma is NEGATIVE and nobody wants that image for their group. Image is important for recruiting the type of people you want in your frat.

Just cause you're a fag doesn't mean that you can't do positive work in the frat. But the same can be said of a pedaphile or someone who likes crushing animals. In my opinion, homosexuals are in the same category.

Homosexuality is a multidementional issue. Its political, moral, freedom of choice, etc. I can't judge anybody. But we DO judge people when making membership selections and are EXPECTED to. ALPHA doesn't seek negativity. Homosexuality is negative (in my opinion and that of many others). Homosexuals have founded many organizations and support groups...they should create their own frats and sororities and stop trying to force themselves into ours.

As far as Whites in the frat....I don't get it. I think it's suspect. Not all white people are bad, but BGLOs aren't just Fraternal Organizations. We have deep historical roots tied into the struggle of African Americans.
We were founded to uplift AA's SPECIFICALLY
(and ALL mankind coincidentally). My personal belief is the integration of our orgs was a "political" thing. Its hard to believe that a white person would be so committed to the uplifting of our communities SPECIFICALLY. We don't plan programs for white people, or target white people for our service. If they so happen to get served...cool. We're trying to save our own. I feel white people may try and DILLUTE our focus and try and use our resources to help "EVERYBODY". We as black folks need our resources dedicated SOLELY TO US! Its human nature to look after your own. If I was in a white organization, I would be thinking of how to use their resources to help my people. I find it hard to imagine that a white person would exclude their OWN people to help ours. I don't want our programs dilluted.
A white person has to have that understanding. If they are willing to submit to serving mostly Blacks, (when using frat time/resources)...then fine...you can join. But don't come in my org trying to "whitewash" it and waste the little resources we have "spreading the love". It sounds prejudice (not racist) but thats REAL. That is my only concern w/white folks in the frat.

Reds6 · #25 03-13-2002, 03:07 PM

To get straight to the point I would vote No in every case of a white women trying to join. It may sound bad to some, but I'm being honest. I don't care how down you are, active in the community, hang with how many black folks, etc. My vote is NO.

As far as Gays, not sure but being really honest I would probably vote NO also.

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Originally posted by Dexter
I just found out that this question was already raised. I had to go back 16 pages to find it. So let me revise my question. Can YOU see yourself gripping, Stepping or locking up with someone who is either non african american or homosexual. If so, do you think it affects the image of your organization in the eyes of outsiders?

Dexter · #26 03-13-2002, 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by MaMaBuddha

it's been a minute since i've posted. i know jamie...that is one of the coolest white boys i know and he could step his ASS off. the Alpha's down there did a lot in the community and i remember he was president of the chapter. i know he got so much play from the sisters. the last time i saw him was like four years ago at a step show at UCF. he represented well.

Yeah that's him. He got married a couple of years ago to a sister from my neck of the woods (D.C. Metro UHRRREAHH). But like I said he is one of the most brotherly people I know.

Zetaphied · #27 03-21-2002, 01:17 PM

I don't have a problem with non AA or homosexuals being members of our organizations. As long as they are working for the org and put their heart and soul into it and believe in what their chosen org stands for. Historically there has always been some non AA people fighting for justice and civil rights right alongside AA people. I'm sure there were homosexuals fighting alongside us as well. Someone mentioned that a homosexual doesn't meet the qualifications of manhood, well that depends on what your definition of manhood is. Someone's sexuality should have no bearing on whether or not they are a real man or possess manhood. Certainly I would never label a heterosexual man a real man just because of his bedroom practices or based on how many notches he has on his belt. There are plenty of homosexual men who handle their business, give back to the community, take care of their families, are god fearing and loving individuals..this in my idea are some of the ideals that would make one a "Real" man.

carnation · #28 03-21-2002, 04:17 PM

You know guys, I never would have seen or even looked at this thread until the "new" Greek Chat came out and we could all see the titles of all the threads. How do you think seeing this thread crop up all the time affects the whites on this board? Can you imagine what would happen if someone started a "Would you want blacks or homosexuals in your group?" thread? All hell would break loose.

It's worse for members who consider homosexuality to be a sexual deviation because it sounds like "Would you want whites or pedophiles (or rapists or whatever) in your group?"

Yes, I am triracial and yes, I am hurt by this thread.

Blackwatch · #29 03-21-2002, 04:44 PM

it is interesting that carnation is "hurt" by this thread. I guess Carnation has associated white and homosexual as representing the same type of issues in BGLO's. Homosexuals represent a moral delimma in the BGLO's considering that all orgs. in the Pan claim to have been founded upon Christian principles which teach against the righteousness of homosexuality, therefore causing a conflict with an unapologetic homosexual's place in the org. While whites represent a social dilemma, seeing as though many of the orgs. were founded admid intense overt and covert racism and pride themselves on being champions of the causes of black people in the United States (some of which may fly directly in the face of inter-racial unity like mentoring only black boys,reparations etc.) and combatting that oppression, something that many whites may not understand. I do not think that there should be in any way an insinuation that the BGLO's are associating all whites with homosexuality or pedophilia. I think this is a healthy thread, espcially seeing that these are very important isues in the BGLO's and need to be discussed more.
Just my 06 sense worth.
Blackwatch!!!

Dexter · #30 03-21-2002, 04:52 PM

I agree wit cha Blackwatch. Carnation please refer to the post at the top of page 2.